Grob's opening:Alternatives to 1..d5

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Robert_New_Alekhine

Instead of Bg4, FM Graham Burgess recommends c6.

Robert_New_Alekhine
pfren wrote:
ChessIsMyWife wrote:

1. g4 d5 2. h3 e5 3. Bg2 h5 4. e4 dxe4 5. gxh5 f5 6. d3 Nc6 7. Nc3 Be6

8. Bd2 Qh4 9. dxe4 f4 10. Nf3 Qxh5 11. Qe2 Nf6 12. O-O-O O-O-O 13. Kb1 Kb8 

Did you think all that by yourself, or you got some aid from your right fist, Anthony?

Anyway, I think that there must be something better for black.

drybasin
Robert0905 wrote:
pfren wrote:
ChessIsMyWife wrote:

1. g4 d5 2. h3 e5 3. Bg2 h5 4. e4 dxe4 5. gxh5 f5 6. d3 Nc6 7. Nc3 Be6

8. Bd2 Qh4 9. dxe4 f4 10. Nf3 Qxh5 11. Qe2 Nf6 12. O-O-O O-O-O 13. Kb1 Kb8 

Did you think all that by yourself, or you got some aid from your right fist, Anthony?

Anyway, I think that there must be something better for black.

Really, any reasonable first move for Black will be fine, although 1...d5 is theoretically best.  If you really want to look through some of Black's options, you can download the Tactical Grob e-book from chessville.com via the Internet Archive.  It really is a waste of time to look heavily at a book covering such a bad opening, but it IS one of the few such books available, and free to download at that, so if you're willing to waste some time and storage space on your computer then go for it.  Just remember that authors on dubious openings aren't exactly objective on their evaluations.

drybasin
pfren wrote:

I have Bloodgood's book pressed. I highly doubt if there is in it a single variation which is analysed properly.

Well, it IS one of the few books about it, but I never said it was good analysis to begin with.  Besides, when I say that authors on dubious openings aren't exactly objective, I also meant that they tend to miss key lines.  It IS a book with analysis from 1974 after all, so whoever's nuts enough to rely on it will have to run HEAVY analysis on those lines just to make them remotely playable.  I personally don't care about the Grob at all, so if they want to play the Grob, good luck to them, they'll need it.

Fish_Ninja

First off, only wussies protect the pawn; h3 is the blunder.  Folks, the condescension from you know who is so suffocating it is sickening; what a boorish snob.  The Kolibri ("Grob" is akin to calling Cannabis "pot") is also known around the world as the Genoa, Althausen (original name from the 1800s), and / or Spike [which is what Grob called it]); it's a gambit and it's all I play as white or black (1. e4 g5).  It works because of it's surprise value (select few know anything about it, others scoff and let down their guard).  You can win a quick piece or exchange by move 9 and force many resignations.  The principle downfall is a weak d5 square as black / weak d4 as white.  

Let me emphasize, I love, just love, seeing d5.  It is by far the easiest response to beat by a landslide.  So what about c6, swing the Queen Kingside for easy, uncluttered, convincing, smashing wins daily.    

Folks who have done well as black are those who counterintuitively bring the queen quickly to h4 and hit the flanks, not the center, and get out of book, asap.

kayak21

pfren looks a bit like Scottrf, after a hurricane. Innocent

ChessIsMyWife

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