A couple of drawing openings "refute" 1 e4?
If those defensive lines can be forced then 1.e4 would be considered refuted in so far as playing for a win. However I'm guessing white can avoid those lines lines leading to forced draws.
But this begs another question: If white is happy to draw should his opening still be considered "refuted" because black can happily force a drawn game?
"When I study white, it's always equal. When I study black, it's always worse." - Former world champion Tigran V. Petrosian quoted in Alburt et al's Chess Openings for Black.
Looks like 1...Na6 almost refutes 1.e4 out of hand.
Rainbow, I still really don't get why you play 1...c6 if you want tactical, wild games.
Rainbow, I still really don't get why you play 1...c6 if you want tactical, wild games.
You know, it's the old one-two! First you take the air out of their sails with ...c6 and then you punch them in the gut with the Bronstein-Larsen!
Rainbow, I still really don't get why you play 1...c6 if you want tactical, wild games.
Most people think that when Black does not play 1...e5, White should win. That is a huge psychological advantage to have. This variation of Alekhine's is one of my favorites and stuns players on the White side.
Huh? Since when? I play a number of moves against 1 e4, most common 1..e6, and none of them are 1...e5. ...e5 for me is too demanding in opening theory because of all of white's options, plus he's not really more active than in most other popular defenses.
But sure the wrong attitude to certain openings, like the Alekhine isn't very healthy. I've learned that you have to respect any opening and any player. You have to play your best, because although in the Alekhine white has better chances for an edge, that certainly won't happen if he doesn't play well and concretely enough.
I don't know how you're interpreting my post, but all I said was that ...c6 is a much better choice if you're playing more drawish, defensive stuff.
Rainbow, I still really don't get why you play 1...c6 if you want tactical, wild games.
You know, it's the old one-two! First you take the air out of their sails with ...c6 and then you punch them in the gut with the Bronstein-Larsen!
Yeah I know, but (especially since it's avoidable anyway) there are SO many better ways to play sharp and active. Maybe your opponent first expects black to play for a draw after ...c6 and is supposed to play bad after he's shocked by the bronstein-larsen?
I love the Caro-Kann, but sometimes I can misread the position and get into trouble early on, even though popular belief with justice is that it is difficult to get into opening trouble.
....Next, I do not think that there are any first move that can be refuted. Black has to screw up 2 moves (fools mate) for white.
I disagree...I think WHITE, generally speaking, can afford one weak move (not a blunder, but a weak move) and survive, whereas black's first weak move will probably cost him the game (even if it's not a blunder).
According to one of my books written by a GM, they consider 3 medium (we could say somewhere in between a ?! and ?) mistakes enough for white to lose, and two for black. Of course that's just a general rule, and extremely precise play (really only the best players can exploit so few mistakes, especially without making any of their own that could throw away some of their advantage at least) is needed.
One mistake for black? Well it depends on how big it is. A positional mistake?
Rainbow, I still really don't get why you play 1...c6 if you want tactical, wild games.
You know, it's the old one-two! First you take the air out of their sails with ...c6 and then you punch them in the gut with the Bronstein-Larsen!
Yeah I know, but (especially since it's avoidable anyway) there are SO many better ways to play sharp and active. Maybe your opponent first expects black to play for a draw after ...c6 and is supposed to play bad after he's shocked by the bronstein-larsen?
Well white should not be "avoiding" the Bronstein-Larsen. But yes, white's preferred line may be the Advance or the Panov. If white plays the main line and doesn't play Nxf6+ though, the black has easy equality, in my opinion.
Hmm, surprisingly, 1 ... b5 is my second most played move against 1 e4, and the results aren't bad :)
1...e5 610 43.4% 51.5% 1...b5 15 46.7% 53.3% 1...Nc6 9 33.3% 66.7% 1...c5 3 66.7% 33.3% 1...f6 2 50% 50% 1...Nf6 2 50% 50% 1...e6 1 oldbill - rooperi (2009)That doesn't really surprise me actually...