Have you ever played King's Gambit Accepted Tumbleweed?

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turkishlion

the only drawback, which is losing e, f, g, and h pawns, can actually be an advantage since losing them opens the e, f, g, and h files. If you can coordinate your minor pieces well enough, you will have sharper attacking possibilities especially with your rooks. If Black tries to attack your king instead of making simple development, he will develop his pieces without any coordination.

This gambit is only for tactical players. At least good exercise for tactics ;)  If someone wants to try this opening, I highly recommend to analyze the two games which I provided above by Fort J. and Howe H.

hamstergang

As for the Steinitz, I am a fan of 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 exf4 4. d4 Qh4+. The additional knight moves on move 2 come in handy. In the real thing, 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. d4 Qh4+ 4. Ke2 d5 5. Nf3 is pretty standard and not losing. Maybe not great for white, but certainly playable, even for a win for us non-titled players.

BattleManager
turkishlion wrote:

Ke2 is better after Bc5+ in this case. Are we playing this game now? :))

Ke2 isn't that much better, black still plays Qh4 and white is struggling and he can't even play Nf3 because the queen is there(doing nothing really).



gambiteer12
turkishlion wrote:
gambiteer12 wrote:

Tumbleweed? Looks like a way to obtain a lost position in 3 moves. What does white do after the simple 3...Nf6 4.Nc3 d5?

If Black chose to make a simple development, White continues his own simple development. If d5 played by Black, white should not take it and develop one of his minor pieces instead.

How? Is this just trollery? 5.Nf3 loses to dxe4 6.Qe2 Bc5+ 7.Ke1 Qe7 8.Ng5 Bg4. White's best move 5.d3 is met by Bc5+ 6.Ke1 Ng4. If white wants a development advantage he is better off with other KG lines.

turkishlion
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:

Ke2 is better after Bc5+ in this case. Are we playing this game now? :))

Ke2 isn't that much better, black still plays Qh4 and white is struggling and he can't even play Nf3 because the queen is there(doing nothing really).

 



I think h3 is doing just fine. If you like to exchange your light square bishop with my rook, that's ok since your queen will be trapped on h8 for a while.

Thanks for the first game BTW. To be honest I haven't looked at the decline lines. To me, Tumbleweed accepted if black plays Qh4+ after white's Kf2 and I looked at only this accepted line. I already mentioned though that this is not a good opening against very high rated players.



BattleManager
turkishlion wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:

Ke2 is better after Bc5+ in this case. Are we playing this game now? :))

Ke2 isn't that much better, black still plays Qh4 and white is struggling and he can't even play Nf3 because the queen is there(doing nothing really).

 



 

I think h3 is doing just fine. If you like to exchange your light square bishop with my rook, that's ok since your queen will be trapped on h8 for a while.

Thanks for the first game BTW.



Meh, i don't want to make of this a game but black is much better in that position, he just plays Nc6 threatening Nd4+ and after c3(preventing the check) he can simply play dxe4, if dxe4 Kf8 threats Re8 and black is just winning in my eyes.



turkishlion

Here is a tactical play by Memedyarov. It's not tumbleweed but it applies similar ideas opening kind side files after his queen sacrifice.

gambiteer12

Trading a queen for a rook and a bishop is not the same as putting your king on a semi-open f-file so it can be slaughtered. 

turkishlion
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:

Ke2 is better after Bc5+ in this case. Are we playing this game now? :))

Ke2 isn't that much better, black still plays Qh4 and white is struggling and he can't even play Nf3 because the queen is there(doing nothing really).

 



 

I think h3 is doing just fine. If you like to exchange your light square bishop with my rook, that's ok since your queen will be trapped on h8 for a while.

Thanks for the first game BTW.



Meh, i don't want to make of this a game but black is much better in that position, he just plays Nc6 threatening Nd4+ and after c3(preventing the check) he can simply play dxe4, if dxe4 Kf8 threats Re8 and black is just winning in my eyes.

 



I wouldn't do Qxe4, I would play Qxf4 at the move 10. How would you continue in that case? I am not trying to play out this game but I would like to look into these lines to find the tactical attacking possibilities.

IDASP

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BattleManager
turkishlion wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:

Ke2 is better after Bc5+ in this case. Are we playing this game now? :))

Ke2 isn't that much better, black still plays Qh4 and white is struggling and he can't even play Nf3 because the queen is there(doing nothing really).

 



 

I think h3 is doing just fine. If you like to exchange your light square bishop with my rook, that's ok since your queen will be trapped on h8 for a while.

Thanks for the first game BTW.



Meh, i don't want to make of this a game but black is much better in that position, he just plays Nc6 threatening Nd4+ and after c3(preventing the check) he can simply play dxe4, if dxe4 Kf8 threats Re8 and black is just winning in my eyes.

 



I wouldn't do Qxe4, I would play Qxf4 at the move 10. How would you continue in that case? I am not trying to play out this game but I would like to look into these lines to find the tactical attacking possibilities.

Fair enough, but the problem is that there won't be many tactical attacking possibilities for white with just a queen and knight developed. 10.Bd6 seems good against 10.Qxf4, if now 10.Qxe4 we kind of transpose to the other line, and if 10.Qg5 black plays h6 when white cannot take on g7 because of Be5. Example:

And black has a lead in development and a material advantage.

turkishlion
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:

Ke2 is better after Bc5+ in this case. Are we playing this game now? :))

Ke2 isn't that much better, black still plays Qh4 and white is struggling and he can't even play Nf3 because the queen is there(doing nothing really).

 



 

I think h3 is doing just fine. If you like to exchange your light square bishop with my rook, that's ok since your queen will be trapped on h8 for a while.

Thanks for the first game BTW.



Meh, i don't want to make of this a game but black is much better in that position, he just plays Nc6 threatening Nd4+ and after c3(preventing the check) he can simply play dxe4, if dxe4 Kf8 threats Re8 and black is just winning in my eyes.

 



I wouldn't do Qxe4, I would play Qxf4 at the move 10. How would you continue in that case? I am not trying to play out this game but I would like to look into these lines to find the tactical attacking possibilities.

Fair enough, but the problem is that there won't be many tactical attacking possibilities for white with just a queen and knight developed. 10.Bd6 seems good against 10.Qxf4, if now 10.Qxe4 we kind of transpose to the other line, and if 10.Qg5 black plays h6 when white cannot take on g7 because of Be5. Example:

 

And black has a lead in development and a material advantage.

Why not taking Qxe4+ ?

kyriazis

what is the deal with qf3? it doesnt make sense

BattleManager
turkishlion wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:

Ke2 is better after Bc5+ in this case. Are we playing this game now? :))

Ke2 isn't that much better, black still plays Qh4 and white is struggling and he can't even play Nf3 because the queen is there(doing nothing really).

 



 

I think h3 is doing just fine. If you like to exchange your light square bishop with my rook, that's ok since your queen will be trapped on h8 for a while.

Thanks for the first game BTW.



Meh, i don't want to make of this a game but black is much better in that position, he just plays Nc6 threatening Nd4+ and after c3(preventing the check) he can simply play dxe4, if dxe4 Kf8 threats Re8 and black is just winning in my eyes.

 



I wouldn't do Qxe4, I would play Qxf4 at the move 10. How would you continue in that case? I am not trying to play out this game but I would like to look into these lines to find the tactical attacking possibilities.

Fair enough, but the problem is that there won't be many tactical attacking possibilities for white with just a queen and knight developed. 10.Bd6 seems good against 10.Qxf4, if now 10.Qxe4 we kind of transpose to the other line, and if 10.Qg5 black plays h6 when white cannot take on g7 because of Be5. Example:

 

And black has a lead in development and a material advantage.

 

Why not taking Qxe4+ ?

Kf8 again and white has to lose a tempo with the queen or king again.

turkishlion
BattleManager wrote:
turkishlion wrote:
 

Why not taking Qxe4+ ?

Kf8 again and white has to lose a tempo with the queen or king again.

I agree with you after I looked into this particular one. Black has better position in this line. However, this was not the idea of the opening. I mean white sacrifices his pawn and gets his king out but greedy attacks might result in black's development without coordination. I never played against d5 before I think, so I was just guessing the moves. I always got Qh4+ immediately when I play this opening. For your d5 move there should be better moves. Nc3 might be one of them. Thanks for your time BattleManager. I would like to play this opening with you sometime and try to look into the lines.

turkishlion

I just created a tournament for this gambit for 50 players. Please join if you want to give it a try;

http://www.chess.com/tournament/turkishlion-thematic-tournaments---kings-gambit-accepted-tumbleweed

Thanks!

XF11

2. Kf2 the way the game is delitant.Yell

Utae
I took the King's gambit and continued it in one fashion. Also, I did two other continuations of this particular King's gambit and it is a win-win on all three possible outcomes with taking Black's a8 Rook regardless of how he tries to counter it. King's Gambit is a great example of why you never rush in with your queen:
turkishlion
Utae wrote:
I took the King's gambit and continued it in one fashion. Also, I did two other continuations of this particular King's gambit and it is a win-win on all three possible outcomes with taking Black's a8 Rook regardless of how he tries to counter it. King's Gambit is a great example of why you never rush in with your queen:
 

Nope, this does not work because of Nxb7 which is your queen.

turkishlion

However, this could be interesting: