how do i defend against D4

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Sam_the_soccer_man

I would like to know a good opening against D4 besides the dutch defence and the caro caan.Please give a list of openings

Wou_Rem

You can't play the caro kann against d4.

And here you are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Pawn_Game

Ubik42
Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:

You can't play the caro kann against d4.

And here you are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Pawn_Game


Well of course you can, just ignore your opponent and keep making Caro-Kann moves. Whats he gonna do, complain to the TD? 

Wou_Rem
InvisibleDuck wrote:
Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:

You can't play the caro kann against d4.

And here you are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Pawn_Game


Well of course you can, just ignore your opponent and keep making Caro-Kann moves. Whats he gonna do, complain to the TD? 


An opening is a collaberate effort. If you would play the moves like in the caro kann against 1.d4 it still wouldn't be the caro kann. If you would do that you would get a slav or semi slav set up.

Gm_andrewfeng

Ubik42
Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:
InvisibleDuck wrote:
Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:

You can't play the caro kann against d4.

And here you are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Pawn_Game


Well of course you can, just ignore your opponent and keep making Caro-Kann moves. Whats he gonna do, complain to the TD? 


An opening is a collaberate effort. If you would play the moves like in the caro kann against 1.d4 it still wouldn't be the caro kann. If you would do that you would get a slav or semi slav set up.


 My opponent hardly ever collaborates, he seems intent on checkmate and other miserable little schemes. Sometimes it almost seems like a competition.

But, your opponent wants to label your moves the Slav? Don't allow this concession! If its an informal game, then to drive the point home you could even get out your "Winning with the Caro-Kann" title and make moves right out of the book. Dare him to call it anything else. "Hey, can't you read? What does the title say?"

kwaloffer

Good luck playing 3...dxe4 after 1.d4 c6 2.c4 d5 3.Nc3 :-)

Vyomo

I'd suggest e6, best for transpositions.

Wou_Rem
InvisibleDuck wrote:
Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:
InvisibleDuck wrote:
Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:

You can't play the caro kann against d4.

And here you are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Pawn_Game


Well of course you can, just ignore your opponent and keep making Caro-Kann moves. Whats he gonna do, complain to the TD? 


An opening is a collaberate effort. If you would play the moves like in the caro kann against 1.d4 it still wouldn't be the caro kann. If you would do that you would get a slav or semi slav set up.


 My opponent hardly ever collaborates, he seems intent on checkmate and other miserable little schemes. Sometimes it almost seems like a competition.

But, your opponent wants to label your moves the Slav? Don't allow this concession! If its an informal game, then to drive the point home you could even get out your "Winning with the Caro-Kann" title and make moves right out of the book. Dare him to call it anything else. "Hey, can't you read? What does the title say?"


Sure and in that competition you make certain moves which classify an opening ;).

Vyomo

I agree!

Continue with Nc3, Nf6 Nf3 and e6 and the guy says "This looks like a Semi-Slav.....but it's a Caro-Kann in disguise"

Have fun, secret agent Caro-KannLaughing

Dan268982

question to a 2200 rating player or above.  do most players at that level have private teachers?

 

do you know any that got there by just playing and having fun?

SandyJames

Sam the soccer man,

Try the Chigorin Defence - 1 d4 d5, 2 c4 Nc6

It produces some interesting positions.

galaksi

well everyone  have difrent  move , i cant   say do this  or do that ,, on  my  game i dont ned opinion ,becaus i cant  play  after  , but god lock ;)

Mezmer

I'd suggest that you check out thechesswebsite.com opening videos to get a flavour for some of the possible defenses. Pick a few that look interesting/natural to you and give them a try.

Ubik42
kwaloffer wrote:

Good luck playing 3...dxe4 after 1.d4 c6 2.c4 d5 3.Nc3 :-)


 You guys are not keeping up on the latest theory. That opening sequence is the Accelerated Caro-Kann!

ThePeanutMonster
InvisibleDuck wrote:
Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:
InvisibleDuck wrote:
Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:

You can't play the caro kann against d4.

And here you are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Pawn_Game


Well of course you can, just ignore your opponent and keep making Caro-Kann moves. Whats he gonna do, complain to the TD? 


An opening is a collaberate effort. If you would play the moves like in the caro kann against 1.d4 it still wouldn't be the caro kann. If you would do that you would get a slav or semi slav set up.


 My opponent hardly ever collaborates, he seems intent on checkmate and other miserable little schemes. Sometimes it almost seems like a competition.

But, your opponent wants to label your moves the Slav? Don't allow this concession! If its an informal game, then to drive the point home you could even get out your "Winning with the Caro-Kann" title and make moves right out of the book. Dare him to call it anything else. "Hey, can't you read? What does the title say?"


hahaha, brilliant.

Sam_the_soccer_man

this is so funny how off topic people get. listen i asked for openings against d4.......read the title...i know i made a blunder on saying the caro caan is a defence against d4......but could we please ignore that....thanks to the people that kept on topic and gave  me sites and applied there opinion on a good opening.Smile

waffllemaster

Honest advice, play 1...d5 and go for queen's gambit lines.  After games look up book moves you should have played (if you messed up at all).  Don't do this the other way around (memorize lines then try to play them).

Vyomo

Sam, try the Old Benoni- your opponents will take on c5, and will lose.

Ubik42

Ok for serious, I like the Tarrasch for us low level types. The reason is it gives black an open game (something black doesnt normally get in D pawn openings) with the oppurtunity for lots of tactics.

White gets to play against an isolated pawn.

Most games in the lower regions of play get decided by tactical blows and not by slow positional play against isolated pawns. With the open game black gets with the isolani, he probably has better chances to do some sort of tactic, or at least not worse chances.