How do I take advantage of black not playing Nh5 here?

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TheKonigsbergKid

9 ... Ne8 10 Ne1 f5 11 exf5 gxf5
12 f4 Ng6 13 g3 Bd7 14 Ng2 Qe7
15 Bd2 Nf6 16 Qc2 exf4 17 Nxf4 is standard stuff

But I agree with you on; on principle, e8 is a poor square for a knight. I prefer to stay away from 9...Ne8

TheKonigsbergKid

9...Ne8 was seen in Korchnoi- Nemet, 1994. 10 Be3 f5 11 f3 f4 12 Bf2 h5 13 c5 g5 14 a4 Ng6 15 a5 dxc5 16 Bxc5 Nd6 17 Nd3 Rf7 18 a6 b6 19 Bxd6! (Korchnoi-Nemet, Switzerland 1994). Its possible 15...dxc5 deserves a dubious appellation.

Has Kramnik been adopting the fianchetto system against the King's Indian lately? Pardon me, I admit I haven't been tracking the latest trends in the KID for some time now. I've just returned from somewhat of a hiatus from chess you see. :)

The above game is interesting, thank you for bringing it up! I am going to have a look at this game, there a clear faults in black's approach to the KID here (also black is 130 elo points weaker).

TheKonigsbergKid

Yes 17...Rf6 is well-established theory. Haven't seen 19...d5 before though. I don't like black after 20. Rd1 

Perhaps 19...Qc7 20. Be3?

Your thoughts Sir?

shepi13
shepi13 wrote:

Nd7 runs into a5, when d6 will be undermined with a capture on b6. An immediate Nd7 instead of b6 is possible, but I don't think it's that good.

Meant Nd7 in the b4 a5 line, instead of Ne8, which I think DaBigOne was asking about.

TheKonigsbergKid

Perhaps chess.com's database is missing some of the games I've seen. I've used a variety of databases for my research over the span of a few years. This includes Rybka, Chess Assistant, Fritz, Houdini, and chesstempo.com (to a lesser extent). 

 

I prefer the Averbakh system for Black, and the Saemisch for White.

atarw
shepi13 wrote:
shepi13 wrote:

Nd7 runs into a5, when d6 will be undermined with a capture on b6. An immediate Nd7 instead of b6 is possible, but I don't think it's that good.

Meant Nd7 in the b4 a5 line, instead of Ne8, which I think DaBigOne was asking about.


yeah thats what i was talking about

TheKonigsbergKid

Thank you for your input pellik, I appreciate it.  A follow up on what I was going on about before:

The Averbakh reduces the likelihood of the prevalence of a white queenside pawn storm and increases the activity of the bishop on g7.

The Saemsich means no queenside attack, but it leads to good light square control, less kingside counterplay from black, and the potentional for a white kingside attack.

That is if one is fond of the King's Indian, an opening which I have mixed opinions about.

Have you tried the Averbakh or the Saemsich before?

coolnandu

Here is one simple explanation. I dont play the KID, but this is from a video by IM Rensch here on chess.com. 

In sharp openings like KID or dragon, any prophylactic moves should be avoided except when really necessary. This is the reason why black does not play a5, which even though is a good defence, is a move done on the queen's flank which is not where black wants to play.

Ne8 supports c7 and d6, Nd7 supports c5. But again these are prophylactic measures. Black should try to make moves on the kingside which is where his pieces point to. Hence the move Nh5 which goes for an all-out assault on the white king

Hope this helps

Alleekhan

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