How many openings do you actually use?

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My repertoire: white: Evans gambit, fried liver attack, closed Sicilian, caro kann panov attack, french defence tarrasch defence. Black: najdorf Sicilian, nimzo and queens indian, English opening queens indian variation.

Uhohspaghettio1
Jahtreezy wrote:
Linkeroftime1 wrote:

While this post is literally 3 years old I wanted to pitch in and say that I have a relatively broad repertoire! I really like studying openings which isn't the best at my level, but I don't really care. I play e5 vs e4, nimzo-QGD vs D4, and ruy lopez as white, but I also play kan and najdorf Sicilian, caro kann, and KID (very occasionally) and bogo indian vs 1.d4, while I also experiment with mainline 1.d4 and 1.c4, and evans gambit in blitz. I always think its good to experiment and branch out with openings because it introduces fresh ideas to your chess, regardless of immediate improvement.

I agree with experimenting broadly, but I think the term repertoire implies a strong familiarity, level of knowledge for my skill level, etc. I'm envious that you are comfortable in so many openings--I've tried quite a few (more over the board in casual games or vs. bots than in rated games) like the Vienna, King's Gambit, KID, other modern defenses for Black, but I'm just not comfortable with them.

Guess I need to broaden out my book a little bit!

Openings deniers don't seem to notice how just because you run out of book at some point or your opponent deviates it doesn't suddenly make all your opening study irrelevant. The same themes, motifs, positional play and tactics appear in many openings. If you listen to top players commenting as they're streaming you'll find that after running out of book they'll often say "this is a bit like a position in the c3 sicilian" or a "better version of the tarrasch" or something, and they'll know and understand how to play it. The only thing is you should understand why each move is made, and make sure the author is a good one that can explain it.

Linkeroftime1

To be quite honest @Jahtreezy at your level it may be better to just play a narrow repertoire. While I am not significantly stronger than you, it's not entirely justified for me to be comfortable in so many openings. I also don't know theory to move 30 like I do in the ruy lopez in every single line (exaggerating, but some lines do go that far) but ultimately the reason why is because I experimented a lot with trying to find the "right" opening for me. I care a lot about long term improvement because I hope to reach NM someday, and I realized that I stand to learn the most from the white and black side of the ruy lopez, as well as the nimzo-QGD as black. Sidelines are really more for spicing up the game or blitz stuff. It's better to know a repertoire super deep than super broad.

Alex216216

As white i like kings gambit, italian, and ruy lopez but for black i like playing caro kann and sicilian

Luskojs
i have two white repertoires. E4 and C4. they can respond in different ways but i will say that e4 is one opening!
for black. i have Caro kann, sicilian, grünfeld and King’s indian!
Jahtreezy
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

Openings deniers don't seem to notice how just because you run out of book at some point or your opponent deviates it doesn't suddenly make all your opening study irrelevant. The same themes, motifs, positional play and tactics appear in many openings. If you listen to top players commenting as they're streaming you'll find that after running out of book they'll often say "this is a bit like a position in the c3 sicilian" or a "better version of the tarrasch" or something, and they'll know and understand how to play it. The only thing is you should understand why each move is made, and make sure the author is a good one that can explain it.

You nailed the reason why I'm dabbling a bit over the board, taking a half-hour to look at a new opening, and hell, even a reason why I tried the chaturanga/shatranj "variant" (I'm loathe to call the original game a variant, but that's how it's listed on the website). The goal is to expand that comfort range with different pawn structures and positions, and be more able to recognize good mid-game plans.

Linkeroftime1 wrote:

To be quite honest @Jahtreezy at your level it may be better to just play a narrow repertoire. While I am not significantly stronger than you, it's not entirely justified for me to be comfortable in so many openings. I also don't know theory to move 30 like I do in the ruy lopez in every single line (exaggerating, but some lines do go that far) but ultimately the reason why is because I experimented a lot with trying to find the "right" opening for me. I care a lot about long term improvement because I hope to reach NM someday, and I realized that I stand to learn the most from the white and black side of the ruy lopez, as well as the nimzo-QGD as black. Sidelines are really more for spicing up the game or blitz stuff. It's better to know a repertoire super deep than super broad.

No harm in learning for either of us, I suppose! Good luck seeking a title, that possibility has passed me by.

maafernan

Hi! I’m an expert-level player (currently rated around 2200 in blitz) and a chess coach. Over time, I’ve developed a relatively broad repertoire. However, this wasn’t always the case. In my opinion, the number of openings you play should indeed correlate with your chess level. Allow me to delve deeper into this concept, drawing from both my personal experience and the advice I offer my students:

Beginners should be OK with only one central opening as White (1. e4 preferred, but 1.d4 is good too) and symmetrical replies as Black (1...e5 vs 1.e4 and 1...d5 vs. 1. d4). See details on my post: https://www.chess.com/blog/maafernan/openings-for-beginners

Intermediate players may add one or two defenses as Black, and perhaps go deeper in their 1.e4 (or 1 d4) repertoire as White. For further details you could check out my post: https://www.chess.com/blog/maafernan/openings-for-intermediates

Advanced players can explore mainstream hypermodern openings. For instance 1. Nf3 or 1.c4 as White, and 1...Nf6 followed by either 2...e6 or 2...g6 against 1.d4 as Black. And against 1.e4, they could practice a variation of the Sicilian that aligns with their playing style -if they haven´t already.

Experts might choose to either broaden their repertoires or delve deeper into what they know- it is a matter of personal preference and competitive considerations too. Personally, over the last year or two, I've been expanding my repertoire to include less common hypermodern openings and then some universal openings sytems. You can find more details on the following links: https://www.chess.com/blog/maafernan/opening-repertoire-the-nimzowitsch-larsen-attack, https://www.chess.com/blog/maafernan/opening-repertoire-the-modern-defense

https://www.chess.com/blog/maafernan/opening-repertoire-universal-opening-systems

Good luck!

Jahtreezy

So why do veterans recommend beginners stay away from flank openings like the Sicilian or Caro-Kann?

magipi
Jahtreezy wrote:

So why do veterans recommend beginners stay away from flank openings like the Sicilian or Caro-Kann?

Those are not flank openings.

As for recommending it, some do and some don't. The Sicilian is actually a pretty straightforward opening with clear and obvious goals and active play. Nothing wrong with that on any level.

DronnIngvild

How is Sicilian not a flank opening?

DrSpudnik
DronnIngvild wrote:

How is Sicilian not a flank opening?

It counterattacks the center. It does not necessarily have fianchetto defense setups in mind. In many of the mainline Ruy Lopez variations for Black, the game starts as an open game and ends up with double fianchettos.

GooseChess
Jahtreezy wrote:

So why do veterans recommend beginners stay away from flank openings like the Sicilian or Caro-Kann?

The Sicilian is easy to get crushed as black if you haven't bothered learning the theory and white has.

The Caro-Kann is much more beginner friendly. Maybe a bit much for a <500 but otherwise a very good beginner opening.

magipi
GooseChess wrote:

The Sicilian is easy to get crushed as black if you haven't bothered learning the theory and white has.

If both players are beginners, this has a 0% chance. White almost certainly hasn't studied any theory, and especially not for the Sicilian. And even if he had, that's not the end of the world. The chance that a game between beginners is decided in the opening is also roughly 0%.

sndeww

"how many openings do you play?"

"yes"

o1uck
I luv scotch gambit
Vossie_YT

i only play

1. E4 

And with black: 1. E5

Jahtreezy
DrSpudnik wrote:

It counterattacks the center. It does not necessarily have fianchetto defense setups in mind. In many of the mainline Ruy Lopez variations for Black, the game starts as an open game and ends up with double fianchettos.

Dragon?

GooseChess wrote:

The Sicilian is easy to get crushed as black if you haven't bothered learning the theory and white has.

The Caro-Kann is much more beginner friendly. Maybe a bit much for a <500 but otherwise a very good beginner opening.

Isn't that true of most opening gambits, if you don't know the theory?

DrSpudnik
Jahtreezy wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:

It counterattacks the center. It does not necessarily have fianchetto defense setups in mind. In many of the mainline Ruy Lopez variations for Black, the game starts as an open game and ends up with double fianchettos.

Dragon?

The Dragon is one line of the Sicilian. I mostly see Najdorfs and others, such as e6 lines and the classical (5. ... Nc6) which has popped out of nowhere, probably some YouTube goon making videos on it.

GooseChess
magipi wrote:
GooseChess wrote:

The Sicilian is easy to get crushed as black if you haven't bothered learning the theory and white has.

If both players are beginners, this has a 0% chance. White almost certainly hasn't studied any theory, and especially not for the Sicilian. And even if he had, that's not the end of the world. The chance that a game between beginners is decided in the opening is also roughly 0%.

True, most openings are fine for beginners to play, won't affect the win percentage much, but I don't think it gives a beginner any advantage over other openings assuming they aren't studying much theory.