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pfren wrote:

Some people have a wrong impression about the relative strengths of chessplayers. Have a look at this game:

 

Here is a not-so infamous game where Judit is facing an opponent rated some 370 points lower (my former student, and very good friend WGM Botsari). The game is used as a model game for Black in the recent Palliser's Benoni book- something that would surely make GM Antic (who prepared Anna for that game) to laugh out loudly.

Palliser, using engines, databases and all assorted stuff fails to realize how precarious Black's position actually is. Anna conducted her attack in great style, and had she played the simple 28.f7! Black had no choice but entering the forced continuation 28...Rg7 29.Re8+ Nf8 30.Qd6! Qh4+ 31.Kg1 Qxf2+ 32.Kxf2 Rxf7+ 33.Kg1 Rxe8 34.Qxc5, when Black has two rooks for the Queen, but her king is constantly very exposed, and that huge pawn on d5 is going to cost Black material. Houdini initially evaluates the final position as +0.24, but after due thought the avaluation changes to +1.16, which translates to "Black is basiclly toast". Palliser does not mention 28.f7 at all in his analyses.

Instead, Anna preferred to further complicate this, while already in time trouble, and blundered the game away a couple of moves later (29.Qd4? which ovelooked Black's very strong reply).

Would Polgar had "her bad day" if she lost that game against a player who's fairly strong, but for sure much weaker than Godena?
A couple of rounds earlier, Judit had mild trouble drawing as white against WGM Zawadska, rated 300 points lower than her.

Are you still arguing that a 2700 and a 2300 at are the same level?

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Sungolian wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
pfren wrote:

Some people have a wrong impression about the relative strengths of chessplayers. Have a look at this game:

 

Here is a not-so infamous game where Judit is facing an opponent rated some 370 points lower (my former student, and very good friend WGM Botsari). The game is used as a model game for Black in the recent Palliser's Benoni book- something that would surely make GM Antic (who prepared Anna for that game) to laugh out loudly.

Palliser, using engines, databases and all assorted stuff fails to realize how precarious Black's position actually is. Anna conducted her attack in great style, and had she played the simple 28.f7! Black had no choice but entering the forced continuation 28...Rg7 29.Re8+ Nf8 30.Qd6! Qh4+ 31.Kg1 Qxf2+ 32.Kxf2 Rxf7+ 33.Kg1 Rxe8 34.Qxc5, when Black has two rooks for the Queen, but her king is constantly very exposed, and that huge pawn on d5 is going to cost Black material. Houdini initially evaluates the final position as +0.24, but after due thought the avaluation changes to +1.16, which translates to "Black is basiclly toast". Palliser does not mention 28.f7 at all in his analyses.

Instead, Anna preferred to further complicate this, while already in time trouble, and blundered the game away a couple of moves later (29.Qd4? which ovelooked Black's very strong reply).

Would Polgar had "her bad day" if she lost that game against a player who's fairly strong, but for sure much weaker than Godena?
A couple of rounds earlier, Judit had mild trouble drawing as white against WGM Zawadska, rated 300 points lower than her.

Are you still arguing that a 2700 and a 2300 at are the same level?

I think Pfren needs to have a conversation with the FIDE rating committee so they can explain to him the significance of rating differences. He makes it sound as is Judit constantly draws or loses against 2300-2500 players. If that were the case, then why is she rated 2700? Oh yeah, that's because she usually crushes anyone in the 2300-2500 level.

A four hundred to three hundred point difference isn't exactly nothing.

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Sungolian wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
Sungolian wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
pfren wrote:

Some people have a wrong impression about the relative strengths of chessplayers. Have a look at this game:

 

Here is a not-so infamous game where Judit is facing an opponent rated some 370 points lower (my former student, and very good friend WGM Botsari). The game is used as a model game for Black in the recent Palliser's Benoni book- something that would surely make GM Antic (who prepared Anna for that game) to laugh out loudly.

Palliser, using engines, databases and all assorted stuff fails to realize how precarious Black's position actually is. Anna conducted her attack in great style, and had she played the simple 28.f7! Black had no choice but entering the forced continuation 28...Rg7 29.Re8+ Nf8 30.Qd6! Qh4+ 31.Kg1 Qxf2+ 32.Kxf2 Rxf7+ 33.Kg1 Rxe8 34.Qxc5, when Black has two rooks for the Queen, but her king is constantly very exposed, and that huge pawn on d5 is going to cost Black material. Houdini initially evaluates the final position as +0.24, but after due thought the avaluation changes to +1.16, which translates to "Black is basiclly toast". Palliser does not mention 28.f7 at all in his analyses.

Instead, Anna preferred to further complicate this, while already in time trouble, and blundered the game away a couple of moves later (29.Qd4? which ovelooked Black's very strong reply).

Would Polgar had "her bad day" if she lost that game against a player who's fairly strong, but for sure much weaker than Godena?
A couple of rounds earlier, Judit had mild trouble drawing as white against WGM Zawadska, rated 300 points lower than her.

Are you still arguing that a 2700 and a 2300 at are the same level?

I think Pfren needs to have a conversation with the FIDE rating committee so they can explain to him the significance of rating differences. He makes it sound as is Judit constantly draws or loses against 2300-2500 players. If that were the case, then why is she rated 2700? Oh yeah, that's because she usually crushes anyone in the 2300-2500 level.

A four hundred to three hundred point difference isn't exactly nothing.

Yeah I know that. You realize I'm agreeing with you, right?

I'm agreeing with you also.

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Having played a few 2600+ players, I certainly know the difference. Still, the super-GM has to play well to make the difference for real.

If Antic had that position against Jutka, or anyone else, there is no doubt that the game wouldn't last long. Oh, and by the way Antic is lower rated than Godena.

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pfren wrote:

Having played a few 2600+ players, I certainly know the difference. Still, the super-GM has to play well to make the difference for real.

If Antic had that position against Jutka, or anyone else, there is no doubt that the game wouldn't last long. Oh, and by the way Antic is lower rated than Godena.

Yes, but these are players who on average lose to opponents around their rank.

If they were anywhere near the 2600+ mark, they would be rated 2600+.

Playing a single good game against Polgar or Ivanchuk is really just luck. 

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Far from the truth. Polgar wasn't on a bad day, nor he committed any mistakes on that game. Her opponent blundered later.

She was just caught in a prepared (and much analysed) line against a much lower rated opponent- the only truth is that after 17.h4! white has a clear advantage... that simple.

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AcivilizedGentleman wrote:
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Well, you can say "Ad Hominem" but so can a parrot. In any case, you don't seem to understand the words. Ad Hominem would refer to irrelevant personal attack. If I were to attack Yereslov's character, or make fun of his personal appearence, then I would be making Ad hominem arguments, substituting personal abuse for argument. But that's not what was doing. I was simply pointing out that Yereslov's chess knowledge was completely insufficient to make the claim that Godena's middlegame and endgame play "sucked." Yereslov was simply lacked the chess understanding to make such a comment. To give a simple analogy, if the prosecution were to introduce an expert witness to testify on matters of physics, it would not be an "Ad Hominem" argument for the defense to point out that the witness had not, in fact, mastered grade school mathematics.

The logical fallacy you make is that you assume I have poor chess knowledge.

How I play has nothing to do with what I know.

I know a player in my club who gives fantastic commentary, but is a lowly 1000 USCF rated player.

He has read countless chess books and is like a walking library, but, when he sits down on the table, the nerves get to him, and he loses.

If you look at my games, I tend to play in under five minutes in every game. 

I don't really put any effort into it because I know my opponents are going to be 1200-1400.

Why bother trying to win against such weak opponents? 

I could easily restart this account and  get a 1600-1700 rating, but I already payed for this account. It would be a waste.

In short, you are using an ad hominem attack.

I have beaten players way above my level and have lost to players rated just 1000+.

If you need a rating to understand a good game, then Jeremy Silman  should stop writing books. What does he know about a players 300 points higher than him?

Last time I checked he is nowhere near Kramnik's or Kasparov's FIDE ratings.

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And the denial phase has begun.

It's funny how jetfighter, Christiansoldier, gavinator and all the other arrogant self proclaimed 1200 experts COULD get high rating if they wanted. But... They just don't want to. lol. Right.

No, it's the fact that I have trouble with defeating 1500's.

The last one I played got dominated and I was barely trying.

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I could easily be 2100, but all of those damned 2000 players keep giving me trouble.

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browni3141 wrote:

I could easily be 2100, but all of those damned 2000 players keep giving me trouble.

A one hundred point difference isn't much.

You should have no trouble with 2000+ rated players.

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AcivilizedGentleman wrote:

I'm actually GM material. Problem is that I don't care whenever I do a blunder. I don't mean after it. I mean if I ever do a blunder it's because I did not care. If I ever do a good move/win it's me trying.

But yeah, I'm actually 2700. I just don't really try.

No, you try. I've seen your games. 

Unlike me you take time to think.

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AcivilizedGentleman wrote:

I'm 2700. I'm always watching the tv and having hot Russian sex with joey while I play.

You're just jealous.

 

I'm glad that you observe my games however. You might learn a thing or two. Obviously, someone as unlikeable and talentless like you will never be a Russian but having a Russian as your goal cannot hurt.

Why would I want to be Russian?