How to play against Budapest Gambit

I have now looked at a bunch of Bupapest Gambit games including correspondence chess games.

And i still say the Budapest Gambit is not a very good opening and i would  expect to win playing the White side.

I am convinced by this refutation and the analysis provided.

The argument revolves around whether the Budapest is a poor opening or a refuted one. I've seen no analysis showing a refutation.

Several GM have been beaten by Mamedyarov in this opening..... A opening to play which a certain level of accuracy is required is not refuted at all....

This is true.

Of course just about all openings for Black must be played with a certain level of accuracy.

I have looked over many games played by masters and grandmasters with this gambit. There are just too many possible moves for me to refute this gambit.

However, in my opinion, this gambit, if properly responded to by White, gives Black a slightly worse game than he normally has in an opening. And i would expect to win against this gambit.

[it is not as bad a gambit as the Albin Counter Gambit however-i think that gambit is practically refuted]

Is this an important distinction from the point of view of practical play at the amateur level?

Again, the only reason to answer @kindaspongey's passive-aggressive questioning is for others to understand.

Serious Correspondence Chess players such as Ponz and Pfren are interested in the theoretical standing of openings, and both have contributed to the theory of chess openings.

So yes, the distinction is important.

The question was about importance "from the point of view of practical play at the amateur level".

there is a line by seirawan agaisnt the budapest that is very convincing but likely not fully decisive.

the modern antidote is to give back the e pawn, play nbd2, and white often ends up in a position with the bishop pair and a superior (or at least easier to mobilize pawn structure). black is by no means lost, but i think most masters will agree, its an unpleasant situation with not enough winning chances. If refuted means, having to accept a tamed position where's white advantage means his only losing chances are to mess up, then yeah,i think budapest is likely refuted. although that shoudnt be a problem below the master level

but that;s what makes research into openings so interesting, sometimes even computers overlook ideas or overestimate certain positions, im sure there is some budapest  fan out there that has a deviation at move 12 no one considered that might change the assessment.

I invite others to read the first post of this thread to see what the question was.

See above. Is there reason to believe that ilusmte was thinking about serious Correspondence Chess play?

I answered your comment, @kindaspongey. Yes, it is relevant.

I don't consider your passive-aggressive comments that end in "?" as questions. They are almost always thinly veiled attacks. But I responded to your comment. 

Smyslov wrote (~8 minutes ago): "I answered your comment, @kindaspongey. Yes, it is relevant. ..."

The question was about importance "from the point of view of practical play at the amateur level".

idk why petty ramblers are rampant in some of these forums

In my opinion even amateur level players [amateur level can be from 500 to 2500 +] should try  and refrain from openings which can be shown not to at least equalize [not to at least equalize in the opening]

 It is just better to get into the habit of playing fully sound openings if you wish to improve your chess.  Example: i used to play the Smith Morra Gambit but decided it was not fully sound and switched to other methods against the Sicilian and this improved my  results. [RIP Ken Smith] 

However, this is only my opinion and a lot of players enjoy playing openings such as the Blackmar Diemer Gambit. Often, enjoyment of certain openings trumps [sorry if that word offends anybody] trying to be a stronger player.

It may be that some of the disagreement results from different interpretations of the meaning of "sound". Some people write as if "sound" is a yes or no thing, while you use language that gives the impression of a matter of degree.

what does sound mean here though? if a black defense only fully equalizes by move 22 instead of 15, is it not sound anymore? how about one with a line that is a pawn down but a guaranteed draw with good play? how about a defense that has that one very specific line which makes it 0.7 but virtually nobody knows it?

you want pictures?

Valeri Bronznick wrote an excellent book on how to combat "guérilla openings", including the Budapest. He wrote it for a target audience of amateurs. If a line was clearly refuted, he recommended learning that line. Otherwise, he recommended lines that were easier to memorize but still gave White good play.

Bronznick believes the Budapest is not refuted, but there are several paths to a slight stable edge for White.

The issue of whether a line is refuted is highly relevant, even for amateurs.

Interesting..... Chess.com has already established itself as an important social networking site.. Who is jealous? MZ? (or MJ?)