How to play against the French?

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Blast the French defense!  Blast it! 

I really need to know how to handle the white pawn structure and piece plans.  How do I play this position?  What are the typical white ideas? 

Help!!! I lose almost every time I play this as white. 

 

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Possibly helpful:
A Simple Chess Opening Repertoire for White by Sam Collins

http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/A-Simple-Chess-Opening-Repertoire-for-White-76p3916.htm
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/A_Simple_Chess_Opening_Repertoire_for_White.pdf
My First Chess Opening Repertoire for White by Vincent Moret
https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/9033.pdf

1.e4 vs. The French, Caro-Kann & Philidor By Parimarjan Negi

http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/1-e4-vs-The-French-Caro-Kann-Philidor-76p3875.htm

http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/GMRep-1e4-vol1-excerpt.pdf

How to Beat the French Defence by Andreas Tzermiadianos (2008)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627050257/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen115.pdf

Coming soon:

Playing 1.e4 - Sicilian & French by John Shaw

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A nice option is 3. exd5, exd5 4. c4 and you have an open position if you want that. Then just develop all your pieces, castle and attack the d5 square...no opening guarantees a win but if you know how you want to play the middle game you can choose an opening that suits that.
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Hello,  I think you are getting White's plan mixed up and not understanding the idea of Black either. IN your first diagram, you advance to e5, giving you a large space advantage.... black immediately counterattacks with c5. Why do you think he has done this? He knows if he plays passively in this position he will slowly get crushed by White, so he decides to try to weaken your center. If d4 falls to Black, then white's position will collapse since he strong e5 pawn will all of the sudden become weak, and Black's pieces will open up naturally. The best move in the first diagram would then be 4. c3 . This move allows you to support your center, making it harder for Black to achieve his plans of undermining your center. If you could protect your center with moves like Be2, Nf3 and normal developing moves, then you might eventually relieve the pressure in an advantageous way for you. Always make sure in those positions as white to support your center and make black not be able to open up the positionn until it will be advantageous for YOU happy.png

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4. f4 is quite bad.

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Once, during a tournament in the chess club in our town, many years ago, I heard one player said: "If you as White play against French defense and you do not know at least one main line there, you can resign at once with an easy soul" :)

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king's indian attack vs french seems like an easy and effective way to play against the french

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This is what I play, and I have a lot of success, according to my chess.com database, I have a 67% win rate with it. And the chess.com master database has a 52% win rate. Not even counting the drawing percentage. I know that's not important, but IMO white's play is a lot easier than black's in this line of the Tarrasch. And you avoid all the theory Black probably had prepared against the mainline Tarrasch.

Anyways, it's up to you, just showing you a small portion of this opening. Furthermore, you will also sometimes face 3...c5 instead of 3... Nf6.

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4.f4 in the Advance variation is too ambitious. In the advance Black is going to put a lot of pressure on d4 and White doesn't have time to play moves like f4 here. After the usual moves ...Nc6 and ...Qb6 White may be forced to play dxc5 in a position where it's not helpful.

In positions where White has played the move e5 and won a tempo by kicking the knight on f6 back there can be time to play a move like f4. Anyway I think advance structures can by tricky for White because sometimes Black forces ...Bb4+ Kf1 which isn't always a bad thing for White but is unnatural and can lead to middlegame blunders created by being unsure how to combine play in the center with keeping the White king safe.

So the best thing to do is to look at games between strong players in this line and learn from there. This is unfortunately not a position where you can just reinvent the wheel and White may have to do weird-looking things in these positions while Black is simply attacking pawns.

A simpler way to play is the really old 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.dxc5 Nc6 5.Nf3 which leads to what I think is called the "wedge structure" where White wants to try and cramp Black's game with the e5 pawn. And if Black is able to play ...f6 then it leads to a kind of hanging pawns game which you don't need any theory to play. You just need to be alert.

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I like to play either the Classical Nc3, or the Advance where white plays 4. dc. The latter is quite tricky and interestingly positional. White doesn't give black a tafget of pawns and goes for piece play instead.

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P.S. f4 in the French is terrible. It's far too slow and black can blast open the position with ....f6.

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You should be well booked up before venturing 3.Nc3, because black has many ways of playing.

The advance and tarrasch are fine. The exchange is fine too if you don't mind the pawns being symmetrical. Other than the exchange variation, I think a low maintenance approach would be a KIA setup. There are a few tricks to be aware of, but that's it.

I prefer the exchange or KIA -- it's my lazy solution to the french tongue.png

As usual, pick an opening because you like the type of middlegame you reach, then look at a lot of GM games. Not because you'll understand or even remember the moves, but just to expose yourself to the usual ideas and patterns.

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Indirect wrote:

This is what I play, and I have a lot of success, according to my chess.com database, I have a 67% win rate with it. And the chess.com master database has a 52% win rate. Not even counting the drawing percentage. I know that's not important, but IMO white's play is a lot easier than black's in this line of the Tarrasch. And you avoid all the theory Black probably had prepared against the mainline Tarrasch.

Anyways, it's up to you, just showing you a small portion of this opening. Furthermore, you will also sometimes face 3...c5 instead of 3... Nf6.

I used to play that. The 7...Be7 8.0-0 g5 line was really annoying to me though. It's not bad or anything, but I wasn't comfortable with it.

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I don't think the Advance is fine if you aren't well booked up. White is struggling for equality if he makes the tiniest error. Same with the Tarrasch, to a lesser extent. One approach is to stick to 3. Nc3 and work out a repertoire, or method of approach. Some people play on the q-side, some on the k-side. Maybe both.

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What about the 5.f4 Tarrasch line? Or the Steinitz? I don't think they're terrible.

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You need a lot of theory for the advance but not 3.Nc3? What a joke happy.png

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I just play the exchange. Nothing too complicated and you get similar positions often. I also say f4 sucks lol.

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Try to be more respectful of other people's opinions, if you want them to value yours, Telestu. My own opinion is that white has a definite plus in the Nc3 lines and so doesn't need theory so much. It's all pretty straightforward. Whereas, in the Advance, white is trying to erect a rigid pawn structure and the smallest error brings problems well down the line, after black gets a dynamic advantage. The theory is subtler and probably more important. In other words, it's possible to wing it in the Classical but not in the Advance.