I ranked all 20 responses to e4 for black

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Ilampozhil25

very true

i have seen them spamming everywhere

SamuelAjedrez95
Yerachmeal wrote:

Not bad, you have the right reason for liking e5, Petroff's Defense, instead of following up with Nc6.

Modern is the main thing I disagree on, black has an equal percentage of wins as white at the master level with it, so it should not be at 10.

If you are judging based on win percentages (at the master level) then the Sicilian has better win percentages than e5, e6 and c6.

Ilampozhil25

yeah

that one comment also contains another idiocy, detailed in #655 

SamuelAjedrez95

Yes, also black doesn't have an equal percentage of wins with the Modern at master level. Black has a higher winrate but white also has a higher winrate.

It's 37W/30B

AngryPuffer

if you were to play e4 you should play the spanish game, its the most you can get out of e4

Ilampozhil25

aah yes i will play the spanish game vs 1...e6 or 1...c6 or 1...c5 or literally anything else

jk though the ruy lopez is legendary but this thread is about blacks choices

AngryPuffer

oh sorry

as black playing very solidly with e5 is very good, its only drawback is having to know how to deal with the bs tricks and traps white can go for. With e5 you play solidly in the opening and relay on a counterattack in the middlegame

but if you are more of an agressive,unbalanced player the sicilian should do well but you also gotta know the many setups white can play with

the french a believe is not very good, you weaken you kingside immensely and the second white starts to step on the gas with a kingside attack you have nothing to protect your king

Yerachmeal
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

Yes, also black doesn't have an equal percentage of wins with the Modern at master level. Black has a higher winrate but white also has a higher winrate.

It's 37W/30B

https://www.chess.com/explorer?moveList=e4&ply=1 No they each have 37% wins.

SamuelAjedrez95
Yerachmeal wrote:

On the list you gave, the Sicilian still has a higher win ratio than the French, Caro-Kann and e5, so that means it's better than these openings, right?

Yerachmeal
AngryPuffer wrote: the french a believe is not very good, you weaken you kingside immensely and the second white starts to step on the gas with a kingside attack you have nothing to protect your king

Not true.

And it's black with the early initiative. And can still castle safely.

AngryPuffer

the frencch seems not very great because of how exposed blacks king is when he castles kingside, you often see blacks kingside tore apart in the middlegames just because of how little protection black has

AngryPuffer

black just relies on a quick queenside attack and expansion

SamuelAjedrez95

@Yerachmeal

Why did you make white play 6. g3? Like no-one plays that here. The line you played doesn't make sense for white.

Yerachmeal
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Yerachmeal wrote:

On the list you gave, the Sicilian still has a higher win ratio than the French, Caro-Kann and e5, so that means it's better than these openings, right?

No, because it's not just statistics. That's just one thing in the mix, and the modern is an extreme case where even with white always doing the most common move each time black still has an advantage statistically with white winning 33% and black winning 45%.

Yerachmeal
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

@Yerachmeal

Why did you make white play 6. g3? Like no-one plays that here. The line you played doesn't make sense for white.

That's because it's the engines recommended move, but most other moves for white substituted for g6 would have black doing the same thing.

AngryPuffer
Yerachmeal wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote: the french a believe is not very good, you weaken you kingside immensely and the second white starts to step on the gas with a kingside attack you have nothing to protect your king

Not true.

And it's black with the early initiative. And can still castle safely.

play me as black i will play you in a advace french lets see what you are talking about

SamuelAjedrez95
Yerachmeal wrote:

Modern is the main thing I disagree on, black has an equal percentage of wins as white at the master level with it, so it should not be at 10.

But puts Sicilian at number 8.

Then what about the fact that the Sicilian has a higher winratio than basically all the other responses?

"It's not about statistics"

BishopTakesH7

I like the French, only because it lets me do my username, but even I wouldn't put the French first. Top 10 out of 20, definitely, but first is a bit of a stretch.

AngryPuffer

LMAOOO

AngryPuffer