A fairly recent game where the rook on the open d file after queenside castling was important
Ideas on the Englund Gambit
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Zilbermintz' 3...Nge7, aiming simply to regain the pawn after ...Ng6, is worth an occasional punt, though Black will be worse if White just gets pieces out.
Dec 11, 2016
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#4
Yeah I don't like the main line of the englund. Aside from the trap there are no real possibilities. I wouldn't play a gambit if it didn't give me some benefit in development.
I never thought about Ng6 but that does look like a better try to regain the pawn than the mainline.
Dec 12, 2016
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#5
This Englund Gambit fascinates me. i love that 8 moves checkmate! Makes me wonder what is possibility opponent will find that last game correct moves by Jengaias? i have another book, it says Englund is very not sound. Yet Neilberm is high rate player using it. Hmmm
Dec 12, 2016
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#6
But wait. I look at that last game of Jengais and what about this?
BxB, then probably Q takes B. Then black King move over to avoid fork. Maybe White moves pawn in center so Queen take free pawn. Then get out of there before trouble. Black is 1 pawn up!! Or if white move rook to protect pawn, black Queen get out of there and even game?
Dec 13, 2016
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#7
If you move your king out of the way to avoid the fork you will have a hard time developing your pieces and your queen might be misplaced in the middle of the board on the queenside. Besides the possibility of the opening traps there is not much promise in the mainline englund gambit. I do not play the mainline, but instead just give up the pawn on d6 or f6 to develop either my bishop or knight. Either way usually leads to fairly easy attacking ideas but may not be objectively sound in the face of proper defense.
Dec 13, 2016
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#8
Mr. Neil, but good at below 1700 players? What you think at below? Trade Qs ? Then black 1 pawn up? But you right, not good develop. White King stuck in middle though, but good protection and get his B out, then move king up and control file with rooks. If white bring B out, maybe Ne7. Yes, black a little jam up. Thank you very much. I will try to look at the d6 defense. Ha, i just bought another book. Englun and Blackburn by Smith and Hall.
Dec 13, 2016
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#9
Mr Neil, is this close to what you do? In your opening statement? But is true, this does not make many traps like other line?
Dec 13, 2016
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#10
Yes this is what I have been doing, and if the move bishop g5 is played in the position I showed before, I have been playing f6 and sacrificing that pawn instead. This does not create any traps that I know of but it has worked fine for me so far. I may eventually have to switch to a more sound approach as I improve but I have generally not had too many problems yet.
Dec 14, 2016
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#11
Mr. Neil, how long you play the main lines before switch to your current line? i love this attack by my Queen in corner and easy for oppenent to make big mistake. He must play very sharp to avoid. I play this Englund two times yesterday and first time total utter disasster. lol i forgot to move my Qe7. Still learning. Thank you very much intro this idea to us.
Dec 14, 2016
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#12
I never played the main line very much since I didn't like letting white get a development advantage. It might be preferable for you but I don't have the option to play that way since most people who play 1.d4 consistently have familiarized themselves with that trap at my level. For me the variation I use is much more playable since players at my rating often don't have the defensive skills of higher rated players and being able to start an attack with good piece activity gives me winning chances during the middlegame.
I have been playing the Englund Gambit exclusively against 1.d4 essentially since I began playing chess with mainly good results. The variation I end up in most often is after dxe, d3 to induce exd so I can recapture with the bishop on d3. The reason I like having the bishop on d3 is because it allows me to move my queen to e2 and castle queenside in most variations with my rook on the same file as the white queen. Usually my queenside is developed faster and white will either castle kingside or have to spend a few more moves trying to castle queenside. The latter option usually takes some time when my rook is controlling the open d file and I try to mess up the coordination of the white pieces and attack the king. Either way I usually am able to begin attacking.
A move which has the potential to disturb my piece activity is Bg5 by white when there is a white knight on f3, the white pawn is on e5, and white has not taken my offered d6 pawn. My queen is on the same diagonal on d8 and it is difficult to develop my g8 knight, develop my f8 bishop, and deal with the pawn on e5. I have begun playing f6 in this instance and attempting to offer my f pawn instead of the d pawn in these situations. After exf, I recapture with the knight then my bishop goes to e7, and I castle kingside. Kingside castling seems to work better for me in this case, as my d6 pawn removes much of the utility my rook would have on d8 after queenside castling.
Other moves which I also find difficult are when in certain positions the white bishop comes to b5 to pin my c6 knight (this usually necessitates my c8 bishop coming to d7 and blunting my rook by covering it with another piece once I castle queenside), or if a white knight gets to b5 or any other square attacking my bishop on d6 before I castle queenside (after NxB and recapturing with the c pawn, since QxN will often initiate a queen trade, my rook will be again blunted by the isolated pawn on d6 if I castle queenside)
Do any of you play the englund and have different plans when developing your pieces/moves you find problematic/ways in which you deal with any problematic moves?