is king's gambit good?

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Uhohspaghettio1
JuergenWerner wrote:

This refutes this gambit

That's just the Classical, that's what I play myself. It bypasses all of the typical lines. You get a completely different game. You don't accept the pawn and white still gets an advantage. Saying this refutes it is a radical statement that is not shared by the rest of chess.  

If you play the Classical you are actually giving the King's Gambit the respect it deserves, by not trying to act like a gm that knows how to (with a lot of effort in a long game) gain the upper hand as black after taking the pawn. 

Uhohspaghettio1
SuperiorConfidentHot wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
SuperiorConfidentHot wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

SuperiorConfidentHot I don't know what the hell you are talking about - and I'm pretty sure you don't either. The whole point of the King's Gambit is that it makes things VERY hard for black. If you're a professional chess player yes you will welcome the king's gambit, for amateurs as said it's absolutely fine. It wasn't at the pinnacle of chess for hundreds of years while being a bad opening that black can easily hurt white with. That's the whole point of every opening - to get easy play and chances from it. 

It's also not difficult to learn. What's difficult to learn is how to refute it. That's how the opening works. That's why at low levels it does really well while at professional level it struggles. 

 

No.  Above a certain skill threshold black gets to be in the driver's seat in that the ask for white is harder AND black gets his choice of which of those more challenging projects he is going to saddle white up with.   By the time black is prepared to comfortably play against the KG,  white already has a harsh if serviceable game.

Above a certain skill threshold like 2700? Maybe. I believe Carlsen has had the odd success with it against other Super GMs however. 

That's far beside the point,  the qualities that make it more difficult for white than black are the important bits.  I think people who play the KGs or things like it are either doing it as a flavor choice, hoping for the type of game that they want to explore and play or because they are making a lofty and ambitious claim.  You can definitely play the KG against any chess player that i've ever seen or heard of but i'd be very surprised to find anyone in this world and time where openings are all that critical.   Maybe chess is super clinical and well understood,  but i'd have to see it to believe it before I start having that kind of respect or credit to any of my fellow chess players and such.   Tentatively,  I bet you can more than get away with MOST things that don't sufficiently go boom.

Are you actually serious? Everyone from FMs up have been complaining about how much openings matter for centuries. The higher up the level the more they matter. 

So you're seriously claiming that people played the King's Gambit as white for hundreds of years at the pinnacle of the game because what - they liked the positions even though they were getting hurt by it? That's ridiculous. What they liked was getting great positions as white and winning which is what the King's Gambit gave them. I'm afraid you don't understand what you're talking about at all. 

It's written down in black and white in books about how they believed it was the theoretically the best or one of the best openings. It only started to fall by the wayside from the elite game about the 1950s or so, Alekhine, Capablanca, Nimzowitsch, early Botvinnik etc. all idiots not realizing what a stupid move white was making huh?  

It's black that has the massively hard game. I don't know how you got that ridiculous idea. Please don't try to argue with me because you are just wrong. 

Uhohspaghettio1

Man I just checked your profile, I am literally arguing with a child who learned chess about 30 days ago. 

Please cop on and don't try to argue things you have no clue about in future. You are wasting people's time and it's very annoying. I don't understand why you acted so sure when you have no idea. Why did you do it? Come back after about ten years when you have something you could say. 

Uhohspaghettio1
SuperiorConfidentHot wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
SuperiorConfidentHot wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
SuperiorConfidentHot wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

SuperiorConfidentHot I don't know what the hell you are talking about - and I'm pretty sure you don't either. The whole point of the King's Gambit is that it makes things VERY hard for black. If you're a professional chess player yes you will welcome the king's gambit, for amateurs as said it's absolutely fine. It wasn't at the pinnacle of chess for hundreds of years while being a bad opening that black can easily hurt white with. That's the whole point of every opening - to get easy play and chances from it. 

It's also not difficult to learn. What's difficult to learn is how to refute it. That's how the opening works. That's why at low levels it does really well while at professional level it struggles. 

 

No.  Above a certain skill threshold black gets to be in the driver's seat in that the ask for white is harder AND black gets his choice of which of those more challenging projects he is going to saddle white up with.   By the time black is prepared to comfortably play against the KG,  white already has a harsh if serviceable game.

Above a certain skill threshold like 2700? Maybe. I believe Carlsen has had the odd success with it against other Super GMs however. 

That's far beside the point,  the qualities that make it more difficult for white than black are the important bits.  I think people who play the KGs or things like it are either doing it as a flavor choice, hoping for the type of game that they want to explore and play or because they are making a lofty and ambitious claim.  You can definitely play the KG against any chess player that i've ever seen or heard of but i'd be very surprised to find anyone in this world and time where openings are all that critical.   Maybe chess is super clinical and well understood,  but i'd have to see it to believe it before I start having that kind of respect or credit to any of my fellow chess players and such.   Tentatively,  I bet you can more than get away with MOST things that don't sufficiently go boom.

Are you actually serious? Everyone from FMs up have been complaining about how much openings matter for centuries. The higher up the level the more they matter. 

So you're seriously claiming that people played the King's Gambit as white for hundreds of years at the pinnacle of the game because what - they liked the positions even though they were getting hurt by it? That's ridiculous. What they liked was getting great positions as white and winning which is what the King's Gambit gave them. I'm afraid you don't understand what you're talking about at all. 

It's written down in black and white in books about how they believed it was the theoretically the best or one of the best openings. It only started to fall by the wayside from the elite game about the 1950s or so, Alekhine, Capablanca, Nimzowitsch, early Botvinnik etc. all idiots not realizing what a stupid move white was making huh?  

It's black that has the massively hard game. I don't know how you got that ridiculous idea. Please don't try to argue with me because you are just wrong. 

I'm new here,  IDK what the different ratings and titles mean past their definition and I am just giving my 2 cents on the kings gambit after literally  looking up what you guys were talking about.  White has a harder time of it,  like you said that might be only above a certain skill threshold,  but it's very apparent because of the elements of the on board configuration and the ways it "breaks off" and diverges.   White's position is fragile, his plans are fleeting and he needs to be prepared for many things that will forcibly steer his ship into murky waters.  Black can have a very fine game testing the same white player on a multitude of different things in back to back Kings Gambit games where white is stuck marching to black's drums.  This isn't a c chess thing,  but in any fight,  chess notwithstanding,  flexibility and options are very desirable.  When you play this way as white,  you're stretching that and you make yourself abusable.  The benefits of KG's f4 MUST be compensated with rapid development and it funnels you into one of a few configurations,  many of which transpose.   Black can do many things that he may want and with the added benefit of space that he doesn't actually get to hope for against things that I would describe as sane.  

Okay - where are you getting these comments from? I want to see if there is a serious writer out there actually saying anything like that (which I'm sure there is not).  

 

Uhohspaghettio1

lol... seems legit. 

1e4c6_O-1

It's fun, but not very good.

Uhohspaghettio1
SuperiorConfidentHot wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

lol... seems legit. 

Well, where'd all your expertise go?  

Why do you want to hear so much of my expertise, let's try yours for a change. You're the one winning all your games. Why did you move Nec6 here:  

 

 

Why did you move Nec6 here and not something like Ng6? Seems a bit counterintuitive, I wouldn't think of that move, taking up the usual position of the b8 knight.  

Three other games in the database all have the same move - by grandmasters probably. So I guess great minds think alike - why that move? 

FizzyBand

On the KG...

Is it attacking? Absolutely 

Is it fun? Sure

Is it good? Nope

Is it sound? Nope

Black has lots of ways to equalize easily but exf4...Nf3...Nf6! just gives Black a big advantage

JuergenWerner

The Duras Gambit is a combination of the Center Game Accepted: Danish Gambit Accepted and the King's Gambit for black:

 

 

yaocly
devilaurora wrote:

I prefer the queen's gambit

yes but I want to try the french defence soon

u20181692

I don't know how to reply to kings gambit declined actually, I only kniw how to reply to accepted as I also play queens gambit.

devilaurora

If u r white, I suggest u don't play king's gambit if u r not comfortable with it

CheeseElevator

I think so.... 

devilaurora

But if u r black, u can develop ur d pawn as well as your DSB to active squares to decline the gambit

1Na3-10

Full analysis

 

u20181692

lol

u20181692
vasilyborgov8026 wrote:

Full analysis

 

wow, what a great way!

1Na3-10

i don't really recommend it tho because it is really complicated, you'd better be off playing the Luy Ropez or the Gvans Eambit.

u20181692

ok, but can I play queens gambit instead?

do you recommend it?

1Na3-10

yeah its good