Is QGD Best for Post-Beginner to Learn?

Preggo_Basashi
Year1993 wrote:

Finally, I come up with my personal favorite opening.

Against 1.e4 except Ruy, I will use Four Knights. 

Very sensible and good choice I'd say.

Against Ruy Lopez, I will play Berlin defense.

Bad! lol happy.png This defense actually sets black a lot of practical problems. GMs thought it was not good for many decades until Kramnik revived it in his match vs Kasparov. If you want to avoid a lot of theory I guess I'd suggest the scandinavian (1.e4 d5).

As White, I will try to learn the general theme of QGD.

White plays the queen's gambit with c4, but its black who chooses the QGD, QGA, and maybe 6 other choices hah. (Slav, Nimzo, Chigorin, etc). In other words 1.d4 + 2.c4 as white walks into the meat of the 1.d4 theory. If you want to play 1.d4 without all that then the London system is a fine choice.

Reason: Resource is available! My friend lend me his books: Berlin Wall, Four Knights Move by Move. I myself also purchase QGD by Matthew Sadler. Good author. Good book. But remember QGD is the black side of it. With that being sad, I can focus on studying chess, rather than googling "what opening should beginners play"

 

AnhVanT
Preggo_Basashi wrote:
Year1993 wrote:

Finally, I come up with my personal favorite opening.

Against 1.e4 except Ruy, I will use Four Knights. 

Very sensible and good choice I'd say.

Against Ruy Lopez, I will play Berlin defense.

Bad! lol  This defense actually sets black a lot of practical problems. GMs thought it was not good for many decades until Kramnik revived it in his match vs Kasparov. If you want to avoid a lot of theory I guess I'd suggest the scandinavian (1.e4 d5).

As White, I will try to learn the general theme of QGD.

White plays the queen's gambit with c4, but its black who chooses the QGD, QGA, and maybe 6 other choices hah. (Slav, Nimzo, Chigorin, etc). In other words 1.d4 + 2.c4 as white walks into the meat of the 1.d4 theory. If you want to play 1.d4 without all that then the London system is a fine choice.

Reason: Resource is available! My friend lend me his books: Berlin Wall, Four Knights Move by Move. I myself also purchase QGD by Matthew Sadler. Good author. Good book. But remember QGD is the black side of it. With that being sad, I can focus on studying chess, rather than googling "what opening should beginners play"

 

 

I also thought about Scandinavian but somehow I feel that this opening is not very helpful for me to learn chess... And, the Berlin Wall book is just a masterpiece! I mean, as far as I know, John Cox is the only author talking about the endgame in an opening book! Playing Berlin defense, I can learn and practice tons of chess knowledge, so it is a perfect choice for me grin.png

QGD by Matthew Sadler discuss and connect the themes of the most popular choices of Black against 1.d4, especially the isolani. Pawn structure is what I am always interested in but 1.e4 seems to not provide me such experience.

I am not playing to win because there is no chess club/ competition in my town. I just want to enjoy chess as much as you all want to grin.png

 

Preggo_Basashi

Ok, I think I understand happy.png

kindaspongey
Year1993 wrote:

Finally, I come up with my personal favorite opening.

Against 1.e4 except Ruy, I will use Four Knights. ...

After 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nf6, even if White does not play 3 Bb5, Black can not depend on being able to play a Four Knights Game. After 3 Bc4, Black is able to choose the two knights defence.

kindaspongey
Year1993 wrote:

… As White, I will try to learn the general theme of QGD. ... I myself also purchase QGD by Matthew Sadler. ...

After 1 d4, one may well encounter something other than 1...d5.

Preggo_Basashi
kindaspongey wrote:
Year1993 wrote:

Finally, I come up with my personal favorite opening.

Against 1.e4 except Ruy, I will use Four Knights. ...

After 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nf6, even if White does not play 3 Bb5, Black can not depend on being able to play a Four Knights Game. After 3 Bc4, Black is able to choose the two knights defence.

Not to mention he'll need something for the italian, scotch, and maybe a few minor lines like ponzioni plus other white 2nd moves like the king's gambit and vienna.

But that can come with time.

kindaspongey
Year1993 wrote:

… QGD by Matthew Sadler discuss and connect the themes of the most popular choices of Black against 1.d4, especially the isolani. ...

"written mainly from Black's point of view." https://web.archive.org/web/20140708234438/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen15.txt

Usually, when an opening book is "written mainly from Black's point of view", it can not be expected to reliably cover the most popular choices of Black.

RussBell
kindaspongey wrote:

 

Usually, when an opening book is "written mainly from Black's point of view", it can not be expected to reliably cover the most popular choices of Black.

???

Quasimorphy
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

 

Usually, when an opening book is "written mainly from Black's point of view", it can not be expected to reliably cover the most popular choices of Black.

???

I think what he's getting at is that opening books written from Black's point of view are of limited value to the White side because they tend to focus on just a few variations.

dannyhume
I think kindaspongey meant that a Black repertoire book usually limits its coverage at a node usually to a single move choice for Black, then covers White’s responses ... a repertoire book from the point of view for Black would cover the author’s preferred choice for Black to his/her audience to the exclusion of other playable choices for Black.
AnhVanT
dannyhume wrote:
I think kindaspongey meant that a Black repertoire book usually limits its coverage at a node usually to a single move choice for Black, then covers White’s responses ... a repertoire book from the point of view for Black would cover the author’s preferred choice for Black to his/her audience to the exclusion of other playable choices for Black.

 

I have no better choice regarding $$$. So, I have to be cheap and use that book for both sides, although it is for Black T.T

kindaspongey
Year1993 wrote:
dannyhume wrote:
I think kindaspongey meant that a Black repertoire book usually limits its coverage at a node usually to a single move choice for Black, then covers White’s responses ... a repertoire book from the point of view for Black would cover the author’s preferred choice for Black to his/her audience to the exclusion of other playable choices for Black.

 

I have no better choice regarding $$$. So, I have to be cheap and use that book for both sides, although it is for Black T.T

Might be easier to go for a four knights game as white.

AnhVanT
kindaspongey wrote:
Year1993 wrote:
dannyhume wrote:
I think kindaspongey meant that a Black repertoire book usually limits its coverage at a node usually to a single move choice for Black, then covers White’s responses ... a repertoire book from the point of view for Black would cover the author’s preferred choice for Black to his/her audience to the exclusion of other playable choices for Black.

 

I have no better choice regarding $$$. So, I have to be cheap and use that book for both sides, although it is for Black T.T

Might be easier to go for a four knights game as white.

I will stop playing online chess for a month to focus on tactics and drills. I learned the openings and had no problem with it. Now, it is time to focus on the middlegame and the endgame.

kindaspongey
Year1993 wrote: "... As White, I will try to learn the general theme of QGD. ... QGD by Matthew Sadler discuss and connect the themes of the most popular choices of Black against 1.d4, especially the isolani. ..."
FM Carsten Hansen wrote that the Sadler book was "written mainly from Black's point of view."
Year1993 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Year1993 wrote:
dannyhume wrote:
I think kindaspongey meant that a Black repertoire book usually limits its coverage at a node usually to a single move choice for Black, then covers White’s responses ... a repertoire book from the point of view for Black would cover the author’s preferred choice for Black to his/her audience to the exclusion of other playable choices for Black.

I have no better choice regarding $$$. So, I have to be cheap and use that book for both sides, although it is for Black T.T

Might be easier to go for a four knights game as white.

I will stop playing online chess for a month to focus on tactics and drills. I learned the openings and had no problem with it. Now, it is time to focus on the middlegame and the endgame.

I have no objection to a middlegame-endgame focus. I am just trying to warn you that using a four knights book for white preparation might work better than using the Sadler QGD book for white preparation.

torrubirubi
Year1993 wrote:

I read some comments here and there (not an article) that QGD is best for post-beginner to learn chess because it can be positional or sharp. If this statement is true, what is the most common lines for positional play or tactical play? Thanks

It is okay.  I mean, I often teach the QG so beginners can already have some ideas how to attack a pawn chain,  and the idea behind 2.c4 instead of 2.N3.

torrubirubi
torrubirubi wrote:
Year1993 wrote:

I read some comments here and there (not an article) that QGD is best for post-beginner to learn chess because it can be positional or sharp. If this statement is true, what is the most common lines for positional play or tactical play? Thanks

It is okay.  I mean, I often teach the QG so beginners can already have some ideas how to attack a pawn chain,  and the idea behind 2.c4 instead of 2.N3.

I also defend the not so popular idea that you don't need an IM title to begin to learn a basic opening repertoire. The trick is to learn openings at the same time you improve tactics and endgame. 20 percent opening, 10 percent endgame and the rest of the time tactics.