Is the Pirc defense a bad choice for black? (e4)

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Steven-ODonoghue

Databases are crap for classifying openings. The lichess database labels the following as the French Defense: Normal Variation

 

darkunorthodox88
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

Databases are crap for classifying openings. The lichess database labels the following as the French Defense: Normal Variation

 

Exactly. Its like i said, databases are terrible at deciding what to call an opening.  1.e4 e6 is a french but no would would call 1.e4 e6 2.d4 g6 a french yet the database has to categorize it as something so it keeps the French classification unless it can identify  a direct transposition which it only sometimes prioritizes over the original designation. It may for example, change to call it a hippopatamus if it follows through with bg7, d6, b6 bb7. Lichess database doesnt do it but i believe chessgames database does, but it may be manual reclassification by an astute human.

Here is another example. is 1.nc3 d5 2.e4 the main line of the Van geet opening or merely a sideline for white of the scandinavian? likely is 1.e4 nc6 2.d4 d5 3.Exd5 Qxd5 the mainline of the d5 nimzowitsch defense or merely the d4 sideline of the mainline scandinavian? and when setting up the database to choose when to overwrite the original code classification (say from nimzowitsch defense to Scandinavian above) what is the tie-breaker?

sometimes, like in this example, the main line of one opening is merely a rare sideline in another, but the rare sideline may actually be the more common move order for reaching that position because the sideline of a main opening can till be more popular than the mainline of an obscure one. 

I am a thorough pragmatist in this regard, opening classifications are best done by family-resemblance. The flavour of the position is what determines classification when ambiguity arises.

Super_Saiyan_Pragmatist

Try playing the pirc against d4 instead of e4 and then you can play e5 if they play c4 and get a smooth endgame.  If they play 2. e4, then just play the czech pirc instead.  Very solid and less theory overall.

drickzy
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
Preusseagro wrote:

First of all.

Modern Pirc os better than Nimzo or Owen. Far better-

But we most differate here

Pirc without g6 is bad.

I played it myself as i was a beginner in the chess club and despite its defensive face it can get quite tactical if white allows a quicker queenside atack. I changed later on the stonewall because it was still to borring for me.

For the white side of player i can say i destroy most pric players in blitz and rapid wihtout ease. I have my own system against it. But even the austrian atack is quite good for it

So in summary pirc is good against lower rated players who play carefully with the white side

citation needed. Especially for the nimzowitsch.

Why do you think the pirc defense is only for low rated players and when you mean low rated can you be more specific about the rating you are talking about?

LochaSog

It is very difficult to develop and white has a space advantage so I never play it.

PromisingPawns

It's a good defence people beat me with it