Is the "Sicilian french variation" the best variation in the Sicilian defence?

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UnnamedPingu

Is the "Sicilian french variation" the best variation in the Sicilian defence?

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Stockfish recommends pushing the e pawn.

ThrillerFan

Computers don't know openings, and 2...e6 is NOT the "French Variation".  There is no definition yet after 2...e6.  There are many anti-Sicilians still available to white.  Otherwise, after 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4, you have:

 

The Taimanov Variation:  4...Nc6

The Kan Variation:  4...a6 with no subsequent ...Nc6 which would transpose to the old Taimanov.  Knight goes to d7 in the Kan 

The Four Knights Variation:  4...Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6.

The Pin Variation:  4...Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4

 

There is no French Variation.  That would be like saying 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 c5 is the Sicilian Variation because I played c5.  Wrong!  It is the Open Tarrasch.  3...Nf6 is the Closed Tarrasch.

Yigor
UnnamedPingu wrote:

Is the "Sicilian french variation" the best variation in the Sicilian defence?

Stockfish recommends pushing the e pawn.

 

As U see, in your pic there are 3 variations with the same evaluation +0.2 (d=40):

  • French 2...e6
  • Modern Sicilian 2...d6
  • Old Sicilian 2...Nc6

The French variation 2...e6 is clearly one of the best, leading to Kan, Paulsen/Taimanov etc. peshka.png

Yigor
ThrillerFan wrote:

Computers don't know openings, and 2...e6 is NOT the "French Variation". 

There is no French Variation.

 

Well, comrade, your (often interesting) personal insights shouldn't contradict the official terminology widely accepted in databases. wink.png

ThrillerFan
Yigor wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

Computers don't know openings, and 2...e6 is NOT the "French Variation". 

There is no French Variation.

 

Well, comrade, your (often interesting) personal insights shouldn't contradict the official terminology widely accepted in databases.

 

You are a delusional idiot!

 

"WIDELY ACCEPTED IN DATABASES"???????   PROVE IT!

 

I can already, for example, prove to you that it does not say "French Variation" outside of possibly the chess.com clown database!

 

www.365chess.com, after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 it states "B40 Sicilian Defense".  Proceed further with 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 and now it reads "B45 Sicilian Defense, Taimanov Variation", proceed further, and it gets more descriptive, but NEVER does it say "Sicilian Defense, French Variation", BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING!

 

So your "WIDELY ACCEPTED" statement is horsesh*t!!

Yigor
ThrillerFan wrote:

You are a delusional idiot!

 

Thanks for the compliment. peshka.png

Yigor
ThrillerFan wrote:

I can already, for example, prove to you that it does not say "French Variation" outside of possibly the chess.com clown database!

 

www.365chess.com, after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 it states "B40 Sicilian Defense". 

 

chess.com, lichess, chesstempo ... (I'm lazy to make an extensive search) use the term Sicilian defense: French variation.

 

If U don't like chess.com just go away blitz.png instead of posting your clownish commentsthumbdown.png

Yigor
Optimissed wrote:

It really isn't ThrillerFan's fault if some databases have been constructed by ignorant people.

 

Both U and @ThrillerFan are ludicrously arrogant and pretentious. peshka.png

Yigor
Optimissed wrote:

I just disagree with you, Yigor, that's all. No big deal but I never heard of the "Sicilian Defence, French Variation" until yesterday, reading this. That means that it's been invented and has no historical basis in chess, doesn't it?

 

The life continues, the terminology changes (sometimes). Personally, I prefer to say Franco-Sicilian defense. Imho, it's better and clearer than B40 Sicilian (who the heck remembers all those ECO codes ?!?). wink.png

The2DarkKnights

The Kan Sicilian is a very strong opening

Bookup

I'm gonna write a book on the Sicilian Modern variation. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6. happy.png

Yigor
Bookup wrote:

I'm gonna write a book on the Sicilian Modern variation. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6.

 

LoL A man can't live so long to write so much properly. blitz.pngtongue.png

Yigor
pfren wrote:

There is no such thing as "the French variation of the Sicilian".

 

Never say never. peshka.png

Yigor
Optimissed wrote:
Terminology changes but all change should be resisted. Otherwise we have meaninglessness. If change is useful then it will overcome resistance to it.

 

Calling 2...e6 French variation is as meaningful as calling 1...e6 French defense.

congrandolor

Wouldn't it be the Sicilian variation of the French?

Yigor
congrandolor wrote:

Wouldn't it be the Sicilian variation of the French?

 

Yes, that's also true wink.png:

Sicilian: French variation = French: Sicilian variation = Franco-Sicilian defense. peshka.png

FrogCDE

This, as I understand it, is the Franco-Sicilian. If White now plays  3.Nf3 it transposes into a regular Sicilian, but White has other options, such as 3,d5.

 

Monster_Melons
UnnamedPingu wrote:

Is the "Sicilian french variation" the best variation in the Sicilian defence?

 

Stockfish recommends pushing the e pawn.

Stockfish doesn't necessarily recommend pushing the e pawn. If you have pressed the light bulb (the Hint button), try to press it several times, and you will see several acceptable moves being recommended. The one variant is not better than the other. The e pawn is ok, but you can move a night instead of the e pawn if you like.

Ashvapathi
Optimissed wrote:
Yigor wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I just disagree with you, Yigor, that's all. No big deal but I never heard of the "Sicilian Defence, French Variation" until yesterday, reading this. That means that it's been invented and has no historical basis in chess, doesn't it?

 

The life continues, the terminology changes (sometimes). Personally, I prefer to say Franco-Sicilian defense. Imho, it's better and clearer than B40 Sicilian (who the heck remembers all those ECO codes ?!?).>>>>>>>>

Terminology changes but all change should be resisted. Otherwise we have meaninglessness. If change is useful then it will overcome resistance to it.


 

1) Overcoming resistance is often a violent process. 

2) change doesn't have to be useful to overcome resistance. It has to be powerful to overcome resistance.

Ashvapathi

Power is not psychological. It's physical or financial.

And its not a modern concept. It is as old as human civilization itself (when it was born in India). 😊