Is there a name for this English/Reti setup? Looking for resources and games to study.
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LadybelleF wrote:
It seems to come out to the four Kings.
I'm assuming you mean the English Four Knights, right? The knights' placement on white's end is the same, but black's setup is different. Also, white still usually wants to play for the typical g3 fianchetto stuff that is pretty standard in the English. I'm mainly interested in the lines w/ g4 and a kingside attack where white is in no rush to castle or play d4. I should have clarified that in my post, so that's my bad. Thanks for you input, though.
Oct 24, 2022
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Look up the Katalimov Sicilian and apply it as white reversed, which is the set-up, ideas and plans you have there.
Your playing a Katalimov Sicilian one tempo up.
Bobby Fischer even played that lined transposed from 1.b3.
Ive been playing that line for 4 months.
Diagram title:
"Anglo-Indian Defense, Queen's Knight variation".
Chuck639 wrote:
Look up the Katalimov Sicilian and apply it as white reversed, which is the set-up, ideas and plans you have there.
Your playing a Katalimov Sicilian one tempo up.
Bobby Fischer even played that lined transposed from 1.b3.
Ive been playing that line for 4 months.
Will do, thx man.
magipi wrote:
Diagram title:
"Anglo-Indian Defense, Queen's Knight variation".
Believe or not, I saw that already.
"Anglo" = stems from English opening
"Indian Defense" = Black plays 1. ...Nf6 in a non-e4 opening
"Queen's Knight variation" = White plays 2. Nc3
It's an unhelpful opening name that doesn't distinguish the Rg1 g4 lines from the standard g3 Bg2 lines at all. Thx a lot lol.
Oct 24, 2022
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Not_v2 wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Look up the Katalimov Sicilian and apply it as white reversed, which is the set-up, ideas and plans you have there.
Your playing a Katalimov Sicilian one tempo up.
Bobby Fischer even played that lined transposed from 1.b3.
Ive been playing that line for 4 months.
Will do, thx man.
GM Christian Bauer is an expert on the Katalimov and even drawn Magnus OTB with the black pieces.
Ill forward some games.
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Not_v2 wrote:
edit: fixed pgn
I've recently attempted to pick up this new opening that you can get out of Reti/English positions, but I'm not sure what you'd call it:
I first saw this in an article written by GM Naroditsky (the first game he shared): https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-blitz-chess-manifesto
I've also seen it a couple GothamChess videos where he recaps some high-level tournaments and this was played, but I can't remember them offhand.
My first impression is that it seems super fun and interesting to play. There are some big similarities to the Hedgehog, but it doesn't seem to commit the d-pawn as early to retain the possibility of d4 in one move later on. White also plays Nc3 instead of Nd2 like a typical Hedgehog. It reminds me a lot of the cool attacks from black in the Kan Sicilian where he plays an early ...h5 with a big kingside initiative. Of course, while the structure looks similar from our side, the plans for playing against an opponent's central e-pawn (like in the Kan Sicilian) are different from those against a central d-pawn here. It's just so ridiculously flexible and can come out of a bunch of different move orders from both sides that even if it has a name, there's no way that I'm going to be able to guess the main line in an opening explorer, so that it'll say something like "English Opening: Ooga Booga Caveman Variation."
If anyone knows this system's name, or is familiar with of any players that are known for playing this often, then please share them with me. They don't need to be super GMs. Any names of expert or master level players that have played this frequently would be appreciated. I just want to know the key motifs and see some examples. If there's a book or video series that goes over this setup, that'd be awesome to know too. Thanks in advance!
The rook to g file was a novelty played at the US Chess Championships this year; well the first time I ever saw it.
I saw it live and it is a pretty cool idea.
This English line is a sleeper, flexible, easy and enjoyable to play. You even have options to double fianchetto depending on what black does with their fianchetto and your long term strategies of trading off one of the bishops for light vs dark diagonal square strategies.
From my experience, e5 and Nf6 are the two most popular responses.
If you run into the Dutch or Reversed Grand Prix, point both bishops at blacks king side and you get an enjoyable game.
Thx for the games! It looks like my line in the English isn't exactly a Katalimov up a tempo, since I'm playing against a central d-pawn from my opponent rather than a central e-pawn. It may not look different from our perspective, but I'd compare it to playing the Slav vs the Caro-Kann as black, if that makes sense. That said, I'll definitely be playing a lot against ...e5 from black too, so these games will be useful for learning to deal with those structures when the time comes. The Fischer-Andersson game is great btw. I remember seeing it in a John Bartholomew video where he goes over how to play some of the typical plans in the Hedgehog.
Oct 24, 2022
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Not_v2 wrote:
Thx for the games! It looks like my line in the English isn't exactly a Katalimov up a tempo, since I'm playing against a central d-pawn from my opponent rather than a central e-pawn. It may not look different from our perspective, but I'd compare it to playing the Slav vs the Caro-Kann as black, if that makes sense. That said, I'll definitely be playing a lot against ...e5 from black too, so these games will be useful for learning to deal with those structures when the time comes. The Fischer-Andersson game is great btw. I remember seeing it in a John Bartholomew video where he goes over how to play some of the typical plans in the Hedgehog.
Against a CK/Slav or even reversed in the Alapin (Katalimov scores well vs Anti-Sicilians such as the Alapin, GPA, McDonnell Attack and Closed Sicilian) maintain the tension with d4. You want black to capture your c pawn so you can recapture with your b pawn or bishop and get the semi-open file for your rook.
Its similar to a Reversed Sicilian.
If you run into the Dutch or Reversed Grand Prix, point both bishops at blacks king side and you get an enjoyable game.
Honestly, that's my philosophy at this point. You can get so many free wins by just playing a setup that's built to specifically play against the main idea of the opponent's setup. People get so lost when they realize that the one plan they're familiar with doesn't work here and struggle to figure out a counter during a live game.
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If you don’t want to deal with all that pawn tension and theory vs the CK, play 2.e4 and transpose into the Panov Attack; a game the CK players don’t normally prefer being an open and sharp game.
Oct 24, 2022
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Not_v2 wrote:
If you run into the Dutch or Reversed Grand Prix, point both bishops at blacks king side and you get an enjoyable game.
Honestly, that's my philosophy at this point. You can get so many free wins by just playing a setup that's built to specifically play against the main idea of the opponent's setup. People get so lost when they realize that the one plan they're familiar with doesn't work here and struggle to figure out a counter during a live game.
I get it with Dutch Players (my one sparring partner is one) and they are taught to play the same line against d4 or c4.
The McDonnell Attack and Grand Prix is just plain awful looking but it remains popular at the club level. It’s not a good look when you both bishops pointing at your king and you have played f4/f5; a very dangerous situation.
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Same idea, keep that pawn tension and a timely d4.
I am a Sicilian Player so the English is reversed as white to me therefore, when I see the CK to me the pattern recognition resembles the Alapin game.
https://www.chess.com/games/view/825798
https://www.chess.com/games/view/13625939
Oct 24, 2022
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#19
I forgot to mention if you run into the Anglo-Scandinavian, exchange pawns and go into the dragon set-up as white is favoured 80% per the master data base so no need to reinvent the wheel.
https://www.chess.com/game/live/24620535969
I've recently attempted to pick up this new opening that you can get out of Reti/English positions, but I'm not sure what you'd call it:
I first saw this in an article written by GM Naroditsky (the first game he shared): https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-blitz-chess-manifesto
I've also seen it a couple GothamChess videos where he recaps some high-level tournaments and this was played, but I can't remember them offhand.
My first impression is that it seems super fun and interesting to play. There are some big similarities to the Hedgehog, but it doesn't seem to commit the d-pawn as early to retain the possibility of d4 in one move later on. White also plays Nc3 instead of Nd2 like a typical Hedgehog. It reminds me a lot of the cool attacks from black in the Kan Sicilian where he plays an early ...h5 with a big kingside initiative. Of course, while the structure looks similar from our side, the plans for playing against an opponent's central e-pawn (like in the Kan Sicilian) are different from those against a central d-pawn here. It's just so ridiculously flexible and can come out of a bunch of different move orders from both sides that even if it has a name, there's no way that I'm going to be able to guess the main line in an opening explorer, so that it'll say something like "English Opening: Ooga Booga Caveman Variation."
If anyone knows this system's name, or is familiar with of any players that are known for playing this often, then please share them with me. They don't need to be super GMs. Any names of expert or master level players that have played this frequently would be appreciated. I just want to know the key motifs and see some examples. If there's a book or video series that goes over this setup, that'd be awesome to know too. Thanks in advance!
UPDATE: Aggressive g-pawn attacking plan covered by Delchev in The Modern Reti as an Anti-Slav system.