Is there a universal opening against d4.

alex25882

Is there something you can play as black that you would recommend against d4. I feel its easier to play against e4 you can just play the Caro Kann or French. Does anyone have any recommendations to play against d4? I feel like one of the only two d4 openings usually played are the queens gambit or the London system but I could be wrong about that.

Thanks for your help.

FrogCDE

The Stonewall Dutch is a good option, and the one I'm playing now. But you have to know when to avoid the Stonewall formation and go for some other form of Dutch (@ThrillerFan has explained that on these forums in the past, which has been very helpful.) If you are a French player, you can open with 1...e6, which makes a French possible but avoids several annoying anti-Dutch lines.

SNUDOO

as black against d4? KID setup. Whether or not you can play that setup is a whole nother matter.

alex25882
SNUDOO wrote:

as black against d4? KID setup. Whether or not you can play that setup is a whole nother matter.

Thanks I will look into KID against d4.

 

GrasshopperCaine

To alex25882

GrasshopperCaine

Since you're comfortable with the Caro Kann ava

GrasshopperCaine

If you like playing the Caro Kann against 1.e4, why don't you try the Slav Defense against 1.d4? Both systems consist in playing 1...c6.

alex25882
GrasshopperCaine wrote:

If you like playing the Caro Kann against 1.e4, why don't you try the Slav Defense against 1.d4? Both systems consist in playing 1...c6.

Thanks I will check it out. I was mainly looking for good openings against the London System and Queens gambit. Against queens gambit I guess I could just play queens gambit declined.

 

alex25882

I think the queens gambit declined and Slav are the same is that right? Oh quees gambit declined is e6.

ShamusMcFlannigan

The queens gambit declined is a fantastic opening. You can play it against C4 and Nf3 as well. Depending on what structures/ how tactical you want your games to be, there are a number of different variations to choose from. I picked up the tartakower a while back and always have an interesting game where I can push for a win.... Whether I get the win or not is a different story.

lemonjuice99

d4 and e4 are both equal. There are many good defenses against d4. Nimzo, Grunfeld, QGD, QGA, QID, Ragozin, KID, ect.

Hangman79

Ding Liren plays a lot of D4, check out his games.

Art0fArcane
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Dsmith42

I play 1. ..e6 against both 1. e4 and 1. d4, as it is extremely flexible.

Against 1. d4 e6 white can play 2. e4 which leaves you the transposition options of 2. ..d5 (French) 2. ..c5 (Sicilian) and 2. ..b6 (Owen), which are all good.  If white sticks with the Queen Pawn opening with 2. c4, you can transpose to the QGD with 2. ..d5, the Benoni with 2. ..c5, and the English with 2. ..b6.

In all the cases above, it is black, not white, who gets to choose what transposition is made, and in most of these cases (particularly with respect to the Benoni and the Owen) it avoids sharper sidelines which are available to white if 1. ..e6 is not played first.

ShamusMcFlannigan
Dsmith42 wrote:

I play 1. ..e6 against both 1. e4 and 1. d4, as it is extremely flexible.

Against 1. d4 e6 white can play 2. e4 which leaves you the transposition options of 2. ..d5 (French) 2. ..c5 (Sicilian) and 2. ..b6 (Owen), which are all good.  If white sticks with the Queen Pawn opening with 2. c4, you can transpose to the QGD with 2. ..d5, the Benoni with 2. ..c5, and the English with 2. ..b6.

In all the cases above, it is black, not white, who gets to choose what transposition is made, and in most of these cases (particularly with respect to the Benoni and the Owen) it avoids sharper sidelines which are available to white if 1. ..e6 is not played first.

You have to watch out for d4 e6 e4 c5 d5 as black. I used to play a lot of d4. When I switched to e4 I got this a few times and managed to get an old benoni instead of the sicilian they were hoping for... 

Dsmith42

@ShamusMcFlannigan - True enough that you have to be alert for that continuation if you play for the Sicilian transposition, but 1. d4 e6 2. e4 c5 3. d5 can readily be met with 3. ..Nf6 hitting the e-pawn, which is not easy for white to foil.  White can easily lose tempo on this line.

There's nothing wrong with the old benoni for black if you know the lines, and here, too, playing e6 first simplifies the situation for black.  You avoid the 1. d4 c5 2. dxc5 lines altogether, which can otherwise be very troublesome.

A "universal" opening for black has to have the virtue of giving black more continuation options, while reducing those options for white.  That's why I use 1. ..e6, as it give me good options for counterplay in the center regardless of what white's second move is.

ShamusMcFlannigan

@Dsmith42 the old Benoni isn’t too bad, but after nc3 or dxe6 I’d prefer white. Black doesn’t seem to get the same counter play he does in the modern Benoni... If the OP is looking for a trickier pet opening though, the chigorin is a lot of fun. 

mkkuhner

I am also a fan of 1...e6, especially as you already know how to play the French.  (Players who start 1. d4 will sometimes play into a French and then realize they shouldn't have because they don't know it--I have won several games that way.)  I continue with 2...f5 against most responses, heading for a Stonewall Dutch or sometimes a Classical Dutch.

A benefit of this is it also works against 1. c4, 1. Nf3, etc. though you may want to delay ...f5 a bit.  The problem setup against the Stonewall is an early d3, e4 to break it up; best to wait until he commits his d-pawn before committing the f-pawn.

giftedguppy1000

1. d4 Nf6 is what I like to play.

ShamusMcFlannigan

@mkkuhner I picked up the French recently. It’s great fun. What do you like against 3.Nc3?