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Darth_Binks0

I've been looking into e5 and I don't know which one to pick :/

GMPatzer

Italian

JEMP7YMETHOD

You mean as Black?  Because they both start 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc5 3.Bc4.  Anyway after literally decades of playing anything but the Two Knights (3...Nf6 -- the Italian would be 3...Bc5), I've taken it up in just the last year and am enjoying it very much, I've even found a piece sacrifice that's not in book theory.

DrSpudnik

2Knights!

ChessPlayinDude47

The Italian's pretty good, but I actually prefer the Russian, the French, the Bleu Cheese, or the Peppercorn Parmesan. Glad you guys like salads too!

Oh wait a sec., you must be talking chess openings. Silly me. Well, the Giuoco Piano sounds good, so does the Two Knights Defense, the Blackburne-Schilling Gambit is fun if you know your opponent doesn't have a clue, and the moves 3...d6 and 3...Be7 seem a bit inferior...

Salad time, though...

AlCzervik

ilikeitalian.

pizza, spaghetti, yum. russian, take it. some french is good, too.

ChessPlayinDude47
AlCzervik wrote:

ilikeitalian.

pizza, spaghetti, yum. russian, take it. some french is good, too.

Yeah, really! Well, whatever defense you decide on Buon viaggio! Now me, personally, I'd recommend the Two Burritos Defense.

DrSpudnik

Whether you play 3...Bc5 or 3...Nf6 is really a matter of taste. I prefer the hack and slash play of the 2 Knights. Others think the slower development and more positional play is the way to get to a happy middlegame.

TheDrevland
Darth_Binks0 wrote:

I've been looking into e5 and I don't know which one to pick :/

both are good. two knights defence requires more work but gives you more quick wins. i would take two knights given the popularity of shorter timecontrols nowadays where openings like the two knights defence shine

ChessPlayinDude47

If you decide to play the Piano, it's good to learn the following variations - geez, I feel like such a music nerd right now:

- Classical Variation/Greco (4. c3 my favorite)
- Giuoco Pianissimo (the very quiet game) (4. d3)
- Evans Gambit (4. b4)
- Italian Gambit (4. d4)
- 4. 0-0 along with the Max Lange Attack 4...Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. e5 and now best would be 6...Bg4 or 6...d5 (which can arise from the Two Knights, the Russian, the Scotch Gambit, the Bishop's Opening, or the Center Game)

Whereas, if you play the Two Knights Defense, it's good to know the fourth move options of 4. d4 (Open Variation), 4. Nc3, and 4. d3 (Quiet Line) , but mainly it's good to know the main variations after 4. Ng5:

- Ponziani-Steinitz Gambit (4...Nxe4)
- Traxler Counter-Attack/Wilkes-Barre Var. (4...Bc5)

after 4...d5 5. exd5:

- Main Line (5...Na5)
- Lolli Attack (5...Nxd5 6. d4)
- Fegatello/Fried Liver Attack (5...Nxd5 6. Nxf7)
- Ulvestad Variation (5...b5)
- Fritz Variation (5...Nd4)
- Kloss Gambit (5...Nb4) 

AlCzervik
DrSpudnik wrote:

Whether you play 3...Bc5 or 3...Nf6 is really a matter of taste. I prefer the hack and slash play of the 2 Knights. Others think the slower development and more positional play is the way to get to a happy middlegame.

look at this guy, talking chess when this thread is obviously about food.

AlCzervik
ChessPlayinDude47 wrote:

If you decide to play the Piano



yeah, many of us have decided to not play piano.

AlCzervik
ChessPlayinDude47 wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

ilikeitalian.

pizza, spaghetti, yum. russian, take it. some french is good, too.

Yeah, really! Well, whatever defense you decide on Buon viaggio! Now me, personally, I'd recommend the Two Burritos Defense.

i'll take the two burritos. your move.

ChessPlayinDude47
celot wrote:
ChessPlayinDude47 wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

ilikeitalian.

pizza, spaghetti, yum. russian, take it. some french is good, too.

Yeah, really! Well, whatever defense you decide on Buon viaggio! Now me, personally, I'd recommend the Two Burritos Defense.

Why you make joke about chess? Like making joke about mother-in-law for having sexy time? What is it? You weigh 400 pounds and won't admit it so you make joke about ah chess? In my Country, Kazakhstan, it is crime against State to make ah joke about ah chess. #1 game in all of Kazakhstan. If you have to make joke, just admit to that you eat too much.

I no make joke about food. I eat food. We eat food. Evreeeebody eat food. Then we play the chess good, yes? But why you boys be e-fiving it so much, eh? You no c-five boys?

ChessPlayinDude47
AlCzervik wrote:
ChessPlayinDude47 wrote:

If you decide to play the Piano



yeah, many of us have decided to not play piano.

You no have 88 fingers? If you do, you play Giuoco Prestissimo! - the chess, not piano... Forgive me, saamtimes I speak in ozer language.

AlCzervik
celot wrote:
ChessPlayinDude47 wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

ilikeitalian.

pizza, spaghetti, yum. russian, take it. some french is good, too.

Yeah, really! Well, whatever defense you decide on Buon viaggio! Now me, personally, I'd recommend the Two Burritos Defense.

Why you make joke about chess? Like making joke about mother-in-law for having sexy time? What is it? You weigh 400 pounds and won't admit it so you make joke about ah chess? In my Country, Kazakhstan, it is crime against State to make ah joke about ah chess. #1 game in all of Kazakhstan. If you have to make joke, just admit to that you eat too much.

ok, maybe we should all joke about you.

i'll start.

your posts suck.

you're a tool.

SHWETA_BENIWAL

Italians are better, 

ChessPlayinDude47

Italian or Two Knights? Ask Tomi Nybäck, he beat Magnus Carlsen in the 2008 Olympiad with the Two Knights Defense. So what if it was from the Harrwitz Attack? He Finnished Carlsen off.

ChessPlayinDude47
celot wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:
celot wrote:
ChessPlayinDude47 wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

ilikeitalian.

pizza, spaghetti, yum. russian, take it. some french is good, too.

Yeah, really! Well, whatever defense you decide on Buon viaggio! Now me, personally, I'd recommend the Two Burritos Defense.

Why you make joke about chess? Like making joke about mother-in-law for having sexy time? What is it? You weigh 400 pounds and won't admit it so you make joke about ah chess? In my Country, Kazakhstan, it is crime against State to make ah joke about ah chess. #1 game in all of Kazakhstan. If you have to make joke, just admit to that you eat too much.

ok, maybe we should all joke about you.

i'll start.

your posts suck.

you're a tool.

What is it? What is tool? Like ah hammer? What? I did not hit someone. Thank you for reading my posts you like that suck. In my Country you suck is great compliment specially for friend of mother-in-law. She want to meet ah you for new plow she will let you suck too.

Tool is like drill, wrench, crevice tool, vacuum cleaner part, oxcart band pulley system; he seem too busy to put zee ahzer peephole down too moch.  He need stay calm, maybe listen more Britney Spear music. Sock is bad word. We no use for sock. We put sock in washing machine and we wash bad taste out of ears. Eat some pickles, turn on clock-radio music.
But yes, no make joke with chess, no, yes. 

ChessPlayinDude47
SHWETA_BENIWAL wrote:
Italians are better, 

Two Knights, however, can look after each other; now would Italians do the same?