Jaenisch Gambit against 1.c4

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Oakus

This is the opening:



There are a few things this opening achieves:

It takes the c4 pawn off of a place where it attacks d5
It immediately allows one to fianchetto the c8 bishop if one is so inclined
the hole at b5 can be used sometime in the future to place the rook behind and attack with
It allows for an open, tactical game from the outset with its own unique character; the positions in which can be quite striking and fun to play
It will catch the English player off guard/unorthodox
Nevertheless, how do you think this opening holds up with just responding with e5 SoupTime4?

MatthewFreitag

I've looked into this gambit a little, and the general consensus is that you get no compensation from it. 

If you're looking for a gambit against the english with very little theory, try this:

Also, if you do play that gambit, try this line:

 

A-mateur

Those gambits are truly rare. But what can we do against them as white?

After 1.c4 b5 2.cxb5 a6 3.bxa6 Bxa6 I would certainly play 4.Nf3, 5.g3, 6.Bg2, 7.0-0, 8.d3 (against the Ba6) and 9.Nc3.

After 1.c4 d5 2. cxd5 c6 3. dxc6 Nxc6 I think I would play the same stuff. 

Are there any recommended theoretical moves after such gambits? 

 

Vedant-Gowda

Thank you

MatthewFreitag
A-mateur wrote:

Those gambits are truly rare. But what can we do against them as white?

After 1.c4 b5 2.cxb5 a6 3.bxa6 Bxa6 I would certainly play 4.Nf3, 5.g3, 6.Bg2, 7.0-0, 8.d3 (against the Ba6) and 9.Nc3.

After 1.c4 d5 2. cxd5 c6 3. dxc6 Nxc6 I think I would play the same stuff. 

Are there any recommended theoretical moves after such gambits? 

 

The theory in both these is pretty similar, black tries to exploit open lines to get some sort of positional compensation.

Here is a sample:

 

Oakus
pfren wrote:

This is a fine gambit, as long as you don't mind playing a pawn down for no compensation.

The compensation is getting the pawn off the c4 square.

Oakus
pfren wrote:
Oakus έγραψε:

The compensation is getting the pawn off the c4 square.

 

Wow, that's huge! How come I did not notice?

It's a fine gambit yes

SwimmerBill
pfren wrote:

This is a fine gambit, as long as you don't mind playing a pawn down for no compensation.

The compensation for a losing position is the reputation gained for being a dashing player.

Oakus
pfren wrote:
Oakus έγραψε:
pfren wrote:
Oakus έγραψε:

The compensation is getting the pawn off the c4 square.

 

Wow, that's huge! How come I did not notice?

It's a fine gambit yes

 

You can expand your brilliant find further with 1.c4 b5! 2.cxb5 a6! 3.bxa6 Bb7! 4.Bxb7 Ra7! The b7 pawn will inevitably be lost, and Black has full control over d5, c6 and b7. This is very close to winning!

What are you talking about? Why would you go Bb7? I don't know what point you're trying to prove

A-mateur
Oakus a écrit :
pfren wrote:
Oakus έγραψε:
pfren wrote:
Oakus έγραψε:

The compensation is getting the pawn off the c4 square.

 

Wow, that's huge! How come I did not notice?

It's a fine gambit yes

 

You can expand your brilliant find further with 1.c4 b5! 2.cxb5 a6! 3.bxa6 Bb7! 4.Bxb7 Ra7! The b7 pawn will inevitably be lost, and Black has full control over d5, c6 and b7. This is very close to winning!

What are you talking about? Why would you go Bb7? I don't know what point you're trying to prove

He is making fun of you, but this is simply disrespectful. It's not because one likes a gambit considered inferior that we have the right to call him a moron. 

SwimmerBill

IMO he is pointing out a "gap" in the logical reasoning that what is obtained compensates for what is lost but showing the next step of the same logic leads to an absurd conclusion. If you take a math class where you have to prove things rather than grind out a number, you'll experience this sort of 'disrespect' often.

Oakus
SwimmerBill wrote:

IMO he is pointing out a "gap" in the logical reasoning that what is obtained compensates for what is lost but showing the next step of the same logic leads to an absurd conclusion. If you take a math class where you have to prove things rather than grind out a number, you'll experience this sort of 'disrespect' often.

Very rude for an IM to do

Oakus
pfren wrote:

There are three sorts of gambits: Good ones, bad ones, and stupid ones. 

Something of the kind "getting the pawn off the c4 square" quite clearly belongs to the third category.

"It takes the c4 pawn off of a place where it attacks d5
It immediately allows one to fianchetto the c8 bishop if one is so inclined
the hole at b5 can be used sometime in the future to place the rook behind and attack with
It allows for an open, tactical game from the outset with its own unique character; the positions in which can be quite striking and fun to play
It will catch the English player off guard/unorthodox"

This is all it does if you could just read my first post

Sred

@Oakus, you might want to look up the term "hole": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_chess#H

Oakus
pfren wrote:
Oakus έγραψε:
pfren wrote:

There are three sorts of gambits: Good ones, bad ones, and stupid ones. 

Something of the kind "getting the pawn off the c4 square" quite clearly belongs to the third category.

"It takes the c4 pawn off of a place where it attacks d5
It immediately allows one to fianchetto the c8 bishop if one is so inclined
the hole at b5 can be used sometime in the future to place the rook behind and attack with
It allows for an open, tactical game from the outset with its own unique character; the positions in which can be quite striking and fun to play
It will catch the English player off guard/unorthodox"

This is all it does if you could just read my first post

 

Oh, I see.

You definitely are in the right path to remain a beginner for the rest of your chess life.

If you don't want to take a free piece of advice by someone a tad stronger and more experienced than you, then you are assured I do not give the slightest fick.

Oh yes because I’m a horrible just because I like a certain openening

leisuretimeplayer

More discussion wanted on this gambit line.

Sred

@leisuretimeplayer There is not much to say about it.

sndeww

unfortunately white can also shove the pawn down black's throat if the pawn stays there... 

the gambit also achieves cramping black's position on the queenside, but if the pawn can be regained (which I don't see coming), then there isn't much to say. 

A fianchetto'd bishop and a hole that can easily be covered up by the b and d pawns is very little compensation for a cramping pawn, limiting the mobility of the black pieces.

Sred
SNUDOO wrote:
... but if the pawn can be regained (which I don't see coming) ...

Note that after the super natural moves e4/Nc3 the extra pawn is already covered twice, without even trying.

sndeww

that's what i mean.