KID - How to continue from this position?

Gamificast
llama44

From what I remember it's not an easy one for black.

I'm sure others can give you some good advice, but it's always useful to start by going to a place like chessgames.com and playing over 50 or so GM games from a few decades ago. That will give you the basic ideas. Even if what's played today is totally different it's useful to understand.

FizzyBand

I think c5 is strong reaching a good Benoni.

ChessBooster

many ways, but c7-c5 looks the best, and you as black are ready for this since you have together with Bg7 means to make pressures on queenside dark squares and white still has to use 3 moves just to protect his king

ThrillerFan

5...c5. 

If 6.d5, the you can choose between Benko (6...b5) and Benoni (6...d6) type of play.

If 6.e3, then trade pawns on d4 followed by 7...d5 with Equality.

pfren

5...d5!? is a murky Grunfeld sideline, where Black gets very good compensation if White accepts the pawn offer.

Gamificast

What if after c5 White plays dxc5? What's the best way to regain the pawn?

Sred
Gamificast wrote:

What if after c5 White plays dxc5? What's the best way to regain the pawn?

Na6 looks good and also seems to be preferred by strong players.

Gamificast

Thanks for the advice everyone.

ThrillerFan
Plato-Potato wrote:

d6 of course! 

 

No, 5...d6 is comparatively inferior in this line.  You have to crack the center in that line.  5...c5 if you want to maintain the King's Indian/Benoni/Benko nature of the game and 5...d5 transposes to a Grunfeld.

funcharminglion

Averbakh variation, very annoying, very popular. h6 to tag the bishop, then castle and c5, if I remember correctly. Abandon the usual e5 kingside attack idea.

ThrillerFan
funcharminglion wrote:

Averbakh variation, very annoying, very popular. h6 to tag the bishop, then castle and c5, if I remember correctly. Abandon the usual e5 kingside attack idea.

 

The position in the original post is NOT the Averbakh!

Averbakh is 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 O-O 6.Bg5 (No Nf3)

llama44
ThrillerFan wrote:
funcharminglion wrote:

Averbakh variation, very annoying, very popular. h6 to tag the bishop, then castle and c5, if I remember correctly. Abandon the usual e5 kingside attack idea.

 

The position in the original post is NOT the Averbakh!

Averbakh is 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 O-O 6.Bg5 (No Nf3)

Oh, actually I had the Averbakh variation in mind too.

How should black deal with that move order?

(I don't play this from either side, I'm just curious)

funcharminglion

UhOh... another trollo.

ChessBooster

I believe I would play c6, hitting the centre and with a view to Qb6 or Qa5 exploiting the weakness left by the bishop leaving c1 (and obviously Qa5 is hitting Bg5 ). 7. e4 d5  8. e5 Ne4  I'm too lazy to try to calculate the lines but pretty sure it works out - can't be that bad in any case as there is direct and active counterplay.  

i am not sure about c6 (with or without d7-d5?)

white may go easy e2-e3, where Qb6 can be met with further Qc2 which is the setup white likes if we consider further natural Bf1-d3, and now even 0-0-0 may be option, so think that better way to use next few moves is direct impact with c7-c5