King's Gambit

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schachfan1

If the moves like 5.(Ne5) g3 occur (more than two, three, four times, not only in blitz games), it means that it is not bad to pay some attention and to work on it. Very sorry to remember that Bobby Fischer unfortunately lost as Black in the King's Gambit to Boris Spassky. I mean not every opponent against whom we play King's Gambit has the chess strength of Bobby Fischer, and IT MEANS that King's Gambit is QUITE PLAYABLE indeed. But I agree, it is more important for White to have more thorough opening preparation than for Black, because Black has initially slight advantage

Amplebeee
Boris spassky is the best in the world with that opening!! Hes a kings gammit encyclopedia!! But i know i can accept the gammit at the masterlevel, i studied it for 2 years for gods sake!!
schachfan1

Boris Spassky, David Bronstein, Mikhail Chigorin, Paul Morphy, Frank Marshall, many of them ... And nowadays, in the period of 3200+ ELO engines, - ask Nakamura, Carlsen, Ivanchuk - ask them why they play King's Gambit, too Smile If it were so simple, just giving the position after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef (!!) for a monster 3200+ engine to analyze - and just write down engine's evaluation with "refutation" of King's Gambit - you can guess yourself, none of the modern GMs would play 2.f4 Smile

glamdring27

Alexander Morozevich crushing Vishy Anand

schachfan1

An interesting game, sorry that in Russian. Nakamura-Adams, really exciting ending of the game, Black is crushed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLv3-MZiJc

pfren
schachfan1 έγραψε:

An interesting game, sorry that in Russian. Nakamura-Adams, really exciting ending of the game, Black is crushed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMLv3-MZiJc

Hardly something to do with the opening, where Black was more than fine. Adams missed 30...b3, and later 35...b3 winning. Actually his timing of ...b3 was the worst possible.

chostaliszt1992

In my opinion I prefer refuse the gambit with Bc5. Indeed with declined variation you can control f2 which is the weak case for White and try attack with Queen on h4.

schachfan1

The ONLY thing I wanted to say is that if King's Gambit were bad/incorrect etc. - it would be HARDLY POSSIBLE that the strong super GMs such as Bobby Fischer or Vishy Anand were ever crushed as Black in King's Gambit - beacuse IF BLACK HAD SOME SERIOUS ADVANTAGE AFTER 2.F4 - NO GM WOULD LET THAT ADVANTAGE OUT, but would simply methodically lead the game to Black's win without any trouble - just as strong players (especially grandmasters, and especially the world champions), when they get a won position - in most cases, provided they have more or less sufficient time - lead that position to a logical end. If a position is technically won - it happens rather seldom that a grandmaster (especially the world champion) does not lead the game to the victory (provided he is not in Zeitnot).


But we (average players) not every day play against a GM ... 

Amplebeee
blacks advantage is with whites weakening backrank,, especially after h3 ,, blacks only disadvantage is they MUST keep dishing resources to the weak backrank of white.. And its difficult in any posistion to shake queen,knight, and bishop off the weaker backrank. Its playable if you know what your doing , that dosent mean its simple .... For 2 novices that dont know anything , its playable ... But at the higher levels, knowledge is power!!
Amplebeee
and accepting it means, black attacks attacks attacks and white plays passively!!
adyasha04
hi
Amplebeee
i wrote a book about accepting and refuting the kings gammit,, its 500 pages of variations for black, with chapters on how blacks queen is a monster on H4, how the horse became dragon monster, and fianchettoed bishop lines... And all of my sources on this opening are derivatives from regular standard rybka beta!!, And the last chapter is full of middlegame exercises... Nothing the endgame in my book because endgames are attained on your own.. Once my system is published GMs from everywhere will shut this overly technical opening down, with my system!! And more other GMs will have to figure out how to shut my system down!! (Eventually they will) And i cant wait to see it!
Amplebeee
schachfan1 wrote:

Boris Spassky, David Bronstein, Mikhail Chigorin, Paul Morphy, Frank Marshall, many of them ... And nowadays, in the period of 3200+ ELO engines, - ask Nakamura, Carlsen, Ivanchuk - ask them why they play King's Gambit, too  If it were so simple, just giving the position after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef (!!) for a monster 3200+ engine to analyze - and just write down engine's evaluation with "refutation" of King's Gambit - you can guess yourself, none of the modern GMs would play 2.f4 


Ridiculous, engines make moves humans cant see... theirs nothing in my book or my noting on the push to d6 because humans cant see moves like that at all!! I only noted standard opening protocols which are no more than 12 moves perline... ANYTHING beyond that in kings gammit is fakery, and thats y the 300 middlegame exercises in my book.! which isnt published yet.
pfren
Amplebeee έγραψε:
i wrote a book about accepting and refuting the kings gammit,, its 500 pages of variations for black, with chapters on how blacks queen is a monster on H4, how the horse became dragon monster, and fianchettoed bishop lines... And all of my sources on this opening are derivatives from regular standard rybka beta!!, And the last chapter is full of middlegame exercises... Nothing the endgame in my book because endgames are attained on your own.. Once my system is published GMs from everywhere will shut this overly technical opening down, with my system!! And more other GMs will have to figure out how to shut my system down!! (Eventually they will) And i cant wait to see it!

The only thing for sure is that everybody will demand smoking the same stuff as you.

Amplebeee
hahahaha!!! its called cheezquake, i just got a bag of pineapple chunk.. I spent a longtime writing that book! I have another that im gonna need help with ill tell you on a message cause I dont want my idea $tolen, and mabye you can help and will split the royalties 50\50. Noones ever written anything about it and capablanca smacks Bernstein with it in the endgame.
Cali_boy613
Amplebeee wrote:
Boris spassky is the best in the world with that opening!! Hes a kings gammit encyclopedia!! But i know i can accept the gammit at the masterlevel, i studied it for 2 years for gods sake!!

You say you can beat it because of your "opening preparation". But vishy Anand, who has as good opening prep as any chess player, lost to it. You may have studied it for 2 Years, but you can't seriously tell me that you have a better chance of beating it than vishy. He's won games due to his opening prep alone 

emiljdanov

moonnie пишет:

It is easy to win if your opponent plays one of the 4 worst moves on the board (Qh4, Qg5 and Ba3 are worst although Ba3 just barely). I also do not understand why any black player in his right mind would play this as it does not develop anything himself but does help white develop.

 

Decent players will play something like d6 of Nf6 (both leading to equality)

moonnie пишет: It is easy to win if your opponent plays one of the 4 worst moves on the board (Qh4, Qg5 and Ba3 are worst although Ba3 just barely). I also do not understand why any black player in his right mind would play this as it does not develop anything himself but does help white develop. Decent players will play something like d6 of Nf6 (both leading to equality)

Amplebeee
Cali_boy613 wrote:
Amplebeee wrote:
Boris spassky is the best in the world with that opening!! Hes a kings gammit encyclopedia!! But i know i can accept the gammit at the masterlevel, i studied it for 2 years for gods sake!!

You say you can beat it because of your "opening preparation". But vishy Anand, who has as good opening prep as any chess player, lost to it. You may have studied it for 2 Years, but you can't seriously tell me that you have a better chance of beating it than vishy. He's won games due to his opening prep alone 


yes you are correct. But I dont talk out my ase and say I can do something if I cant back it up. I have all the notes and have used a source that everyone overlooks for my notes , yes im sure their are better sources, but i know for a fact that regular standard rybka 1.0 beta has an amazing opening database for accepting the kingsgambit.. " that littlefish will never slip out of my hands" I have all the notes paper upon the hundred pages of it at 10 -12 moves each variation per line. ALL memorized through repetition ! I wont even bother doing this with the sicilian because ill be old and grey before I have it all memorized!!!!! Its 98% impossible to do. I even wrote a book on how I did this. I have a filecabnet full of the kings gambit accepted .. Vishy dosent need one, he sold his soul to satan and now hes the worlds best.. I dont get to sell my soul, i used rybka to help me understand it, and wish i didnt cause it took forever, and noone plays it that much anyways .
Amplebeee
By the way I have that kid in a mating net right now, PROFF that my system works! and I doubt vishy prepared for the kings gambit! what initiative does white have except wait for a blunder?? Im stong as black in this opening whereas im not a very strong player with "the slav" advantage and disadvantage =everybody has them
schachfan1
Amplebeee wrote:
and accepting it means, black attacks attacks attacks and white plays passively!!

Really interesting statement ... Could you give some lines where, after accepting, "black attacks attacks attacks and white plays passively" ?