E4 blocking the big diagonal?
King's Indian Attack
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A standard move in the King's Indian, both the Attack and the Defence. The pawn puts pressure on d5, with the bishop behind it, and sooner or later it will move or be exchanged and the power of the bishop will be unleashed.
Apr 11, 2019
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How long can Black continue to copy moves?
7. c3 c6 8. Nbd2 Nbd7 9. d4 and he has to stop copying now, since 9. ... d5 10. dxe5 dxe4 11. exf6 exf3 12. fxg7 fxg2 13. gxf8 is check and can't be copied.
In any case... is 5. d3 and a King's Indian Attack really the best option in the position after Black's fourth move? Either 5. c4 or 5. d4 might be stronger, heading for an English or a King's Indian.
I am just getting back into chess after a 40 year layoff. Hardly qualified to provide advice. I have adopted KIA and KID as part of my opening repertoire. I have a book about the KIA that briefly discusses symmetrical defense and uses this game for demonstration.
https://www.chess.com/games/view/80398
This game is also mentioned. (not a happy ending).
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1106314
I like this game as it brings Ne1 and prepares for F2-F4
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1044036
As for planning there are 2 common themes; play f2-f4 before f7-f5 and to try to gain the 2 bishop advantage.
There is also a concept of King Indian Defense Reversed that might provide some insight into planning.
Great to see how Fischer played it - thanks!
I've looked into this a bit more, and it turns out Fischer himself argued that, after Black's fifth move in the diagram I posted above, Black is actually better! He claimed that, after breaking the symmetry at a chosen moment (eg 6.e4 c5), Black will have the better pawn structure. I think this is just one of those provocative things Fischer liked to say from time to time. as it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
No, I haven't looked that far, and, to be honest, at my level, planning that far ahead is not really worth it, as both players are likely to make many mistakes before we get there. As to what he was really saying, I'd be grateful for any suggestions. He seems to imply that the position is a kind of zugzwang, and that after, eg, 6.e4 c5, or 6.c4 e5 Black has the advantage.
Indeed. Your main problem lies in the fact that you seem unwilling to adapt. I have used the KIA myself (as a big RJF fandude) but with 1. e4 and only with that. I use it basically vs the French or e6 based Sicilians because my take on the KIA is that it the most effective in that circumstance, otherwise I will just go forward with mainline or a prepared variation. Yeah, I know these days the KIA has developed quite a bit into it's own theory but I'm just letting you know my own take just from my studies of Fischer's games where I believe he used it effectively (not opening with 1. Nf3, but 1. e4)
Indeed2. 1. Nf3 is highly transpositional in itself, soo whereas I'm not really helping with your current dilemma, please be sure to be open minded with other's suggestions as obviously (in this case) you cannot fit a square peg into a round hole.😉 Anyways, look into other moves... openings, variations, lines where after 1. Nf3, you disguise (per se) that you're looking to get into KIA-type positions you like but do know other lines if you do not. That is, to me the beauty of discovery and discovery in chess! Best wishes!
Thanks. I'm enjoying playing it, and the flexibility is part of the attraction. (I've also played it with 1.e4 in the past.) In lines where Black tries for an early e5, I am countering with d4, getting a Chigorin or reversed Grunfeld in some variations. But where Black plays quietly and the KIA doesn't seem to offer any advantage, I'm prepared to look at other plans.
I have been opening 1.Nf3, looking to play the King's Indian Attack. At the moment, though, I don't have a clear plan if Black copies moves for a while, eg:
White is obviously OK here, and Black can't go on copying forever. But the classic KIA plan of e5 is ruled out for the time being. I've looked at various ideas: c3 to try to break with d4, moving the knight and playing for f4, trying to keep the centre closed with c4, fianchettoing on the queenside etc. I can't make up my mind what to do with the queen's knight and queen's bishop. Databases aren't much help, as lots of moves have been tried in this position. Any suggestions?