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BTMIllion
Sep 26, 2015
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#1

In the KID most often you either push e5 or c5 after quickly developing your kingside pieces. The question I have involves the Bg7's quality.

This is a game where e5 was pushed. Now let's check a game with c5 pushed.

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MonkeyH
Sep 26, 2015
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#2

Well the way I see it, in the KID a common plan is to break by playing f5, sometimes transpositioning in the Dutch. In some lines in the Dutch ( I think it was classical) its very strong to be able to push your e and f pawns. The bishop looks weak but soon is released after f5 pawn break, that's the idea.

Also the knight on b4? KID often goes for a strong kingside attack and often the queen knight is being transported to the kingside, as we can see in the e5 line you showed where a knight is on e7, ready to jump out or preparation for f5 pawn break.

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mutualblundersociety
Sep 26, 2015
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#3
MonkeyH wrote:

Well the way I see it, in the KID a common plan is to break by playing f5, sometimes transpositioning in the Dutch. In some lines in the Dutch ( I think it was classical) its very strong to be able to push your e and f pawns. The bishop looks weak but soon is released after f5 pawn break, that's the idea.

Also the knight on b4? KID often goes for a strong kingside attack and often the queen knight is being transported to the kingside, as we can see in the e5 line you showed where a knight is on e7, ready to jump out or preparation for f5 pawn break.

You are correct about the ...f5 plan but it does *not* "transpose into the Dutch"

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IM pfren
Sep 26, 2015
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#4

The first instance is the typical "Mar del Plata" pawn center, where Black has made some positional concessions (space, passive g7 bishop etc) in order to launch a kingside offensive. The second is just a bad Benoni structure, where Black has not (yet) challenged the d5 pawn, and the knight at c6 has to lose a few moves to find a decent square to sit- the b4 one is a particularly useless one, as a matter of fact white may not even bother to oust it from there for a few moves, e.g. 9.h3 which denies the c8 bishop his only useful square is entirely logical, and should give white a clear advantage.

Ther whole variation may well be playable for Black, but instead of placing the knight to the useless b4 square, Black should try the adventurous 8...Na5!? where at least there IS a plan for him.

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BTMIllion
Sep 28, 2015
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#5
yeres30 wrote:

The direction of the locked pawn center (d and e pawn) in the Mar Del Plata variation of the King's Indian Defense brings to mind the factor of "space" as in the French Defense. Which is why Black attempts at Q-side activities and White with K-side activities

But this time in the Mar Del Plata the White d and e pawns point toward the Queen's wing and Black's point towards the King's wing.

 

Which is why Black's activities are on the King's wing, White's on the other wing.

The Mar Del Plata variation of the King's Indian was first played in Najdorf vs. Gligorich at the 1953 Mar Del Plata international tournament which GM Svetozar Gligorich of Yugoslavia won with 16.0 and a margin of 1.5 over 2nd place winner Miguel Najdorf at 14.5.

Black induces White to close the center. And with the center closed, launches a deadly wing attack on the King's wing. 

Remember. The antidote to a wing attack is a break thru in the center. Which means that a wing attack is called for once the center is closed.

The introduction of this variation of the KID challenged then existing classic concept in the opening.  Here's the first game of this variation of the KID introduced by GM Svetozar Gligoric in Mar Del Plata  1953.

 


But with f4 in the game the bishop might as well have no future. I understand the KID but what I don't understand is the weird development of the bishop.

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NM Zigwurst
Sep 28, 2015
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#6

You obviously don't understand the point of the opening then...

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IM pfren
Sep 28, 2015
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#7
Zigwurst wrote:

You obviously don't understand the point of the opening then...

This opening has many points, not just one... and most people are playing it without knowing a few of them (about 95% of them, that is).

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condude2
Sep 28, 2015
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#8

Be careful with move order, the way you played it in the first game, you allowed white an early e5.

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Diakonia
Sep 28, 2015
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#9
BTMIllion wrote:
yeres30 wrote:

The direction of the locked pawn center (d and e pawn) in the Mar Del Plata variation of the King's Indian Defense brings to mind the factor of "space" as in the French Defense. Which is why Black attempts at Q-side activities and White with K-side activities

But this time in the Mar Del Plata the White d and e pawns point toward the Queen's wing and Black's point towards the King's wing.

 

Which is why Black's activities are on the King's wing, White's on the other wing.

The Mar Del Plata variation of the King's Indian was first played in Najdorf vs. Gligorich at the 1953 Mar Del Plata international tournament which GM Svetozar Gligorich of Yugoslavia won with 16.0 and a margin of 1.5 over 2nd place winner Miguel Najdorf at 14.5.

Black induces White to close the center. And with the center closed, launches a deadly wing attack on the King's wing. 

Remember. The antidote to a wing attack is a break thru in the center. Which means that a wing attack is called for once the center is closed.

The introduction of this variation of the KID challenged then existing classic concept in the opening.  Here's the first game of this variation of the KID introduced by GM Svetozar Gligoric in Mar Del Plata  1953.

 


But with f4 in the game the bishop might as well have no future. I understand the KID but what I don't understand is the weird development of the bishop.

Then you dont understand the KID

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