King's Indian/Pirc System

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Someone told me this was a system for Black to handle anything White did. They said it started 1...d6 then g6 etc.

Does anyone have any details on this system? All I could find was something online by Jim West that started 1.d4 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7

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I used to play both KIA and KID. I dropped the KIA a while ago, but still play the KID often. 

Here are some youtube videos on Kind Indian Defense / Pirc System.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtGLHip7yk4

http://chessopenings.com/pirc/

a list of more videos:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Chess+openings+-+Pirc

Videos I should watch also, so will be saving these links. 

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@babs: Thanks. Do you have anything non-video as well? I'm too lazy to watch videos (sad but true -- I am forced to take notes), but I will if I must. I want them to write it down for me.

@five: I was under the impression that KID was something used only against 1.d4. You are saying Black can transpose into KID against any first move by White?

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The videos are great CM. They explain the thinking behind the moves. 

More links on KID. (non-video)

http://chessnook.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/bologan-victor-the-kings-indian-2009.pdf

http://www.chesskids.org.uk/grownups/kindian06.pdf

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@babs: No, what I am looking for is in the subject line of this thread. (Non-video please). Not simply KID. I can find that anywhere.

"King's Indian/Pirc System"

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@CM. I sent non video links, as stated in comment #5.

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it's not only one system. technically, the pirc is against e4, while the kid is against pretty much everything else, even though black will most likely be dishing the same opening moves.

it's a fine path to take if you want to, but don't be fooled by the initial looks of "lolz easygame i just fianchetto and castle against everything". while the starting moves will be mostly the same, the very wide range of structures that white can choose from actually means a very significant amount of work to do.

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@five: thanks for the explanation. perhaps I am wasting my time with searching for this holy grail. Someone brought up this system to me and made it sound simple, but didn't give any details. I'm not sure if I want to get into the KID at this point...I can't learn everything at once. I'll try for something simple like the Gruenfeld (sarcasm).

@babs: regarding your PM to me, I see you are confused. several pawns down doesn't literally mean pawns. it is a point system. like five points down. however, if you are down a Rook you would say you are down a Rook or down five pawns (not five points, although many say points including yours truly at times). I didn't literally mean pawns. For example, being down a single piece, say, a Bishop, is like being down three pawns (some people may say 3.25 or 3.5 or something, but you understand). To sum it up, if I tell you that you were down four pawns, I mean four points. It could be a Knight and a pawn that you were down...not literally four pawns.

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@CM. You mean my reply PM to your rude and arrogant initial PM, before I blocked you?

Re: pts lost for different pieces lost. That's not quite how chess works. ;) it's incorrect to say 4 pawns down when down a rook and up a pawn. And being 4 pts down if had lost 4 pawns would not equate to the sane dynamics as being 4 pts down if say were down a bishop and a pawn. Don't focus on numbers, focus on the pieces and the position.

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to learn the system you are looking for; i would recommend joining the KID and Pirc Cafe groups here at chess.com.  Both have Commander_Spock as SA and are filled with links and material to study, and both are active in vote chess, which, i consider the best way to learn an opening.

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Thanks all.