Lets Put Together A Boring Repertoire

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I can make an... interesting repertoire...

Anyway, as for boring, I don't think any QG or QGD openings are very exciting.

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i think the french is the most boring, but if the exchangevariation didnt exist i think every game would been a interestning game from both sides 

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i think most openings are interesting except for pirc and the hippo... 

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and ironically the bird seems to be a bit boring, i wanted to learn it so much, now i find boring lol. maybe its awesome, just a weak player like me comes to think that there are not enough different ways to play it

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but really boring it would get if they would play a game like 1a3 h6 2h3 a6 3 nf3 3 nc6

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The English

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The exchange variation of French! I simply hate playing that as Black, not because I lose, but because I almost die from boredom... In live chess I sometimes resign at once if White play exd5 ..

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the english is only boring if you dont know how to play chess

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what you call "boring" is often a decision to "go deep" and take the middle game beyond move 40. It takes a lot of stamina to do this in a tournament situation.

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well i think it depends on what you call middlegame... cant believe that is correct, i might be wrong 40 moves seems pretty long to me

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To me, there isn't such thing as a boring opening -- any position forces you to play according to its needs. In a tactical game, you're looking for as many potential resources as possible for both players. In a position almost symmetrical but with tiny differences, you play to highlight those differences as well as you can, still trying to find the most forcing move you can to keep the initiative. We know that having a space advantage can keep the other guy passive, so sometimes the whole game you're trying to get a safe one, then the rest of the game you play according to that.

In other words, there is ALWAYS something to think about, no matter how subtle or obvious.

Even variations like the french exchange are never truly mindless -- even there, you want to develop in a superior way to your opponent. Moreover, no trades in that line are really forced, so there is no reason why a stronger player could not gradually outplay his adversary.

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well even if they exchange pieces, the stronger player would probably outplay the weaker player....

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Flamma_Aquila wrote:

I find the French boring as watching paint dry. I play it only occasionally (when white forces me to transpose my Alekhine's Defense into the French) and I just don't like it!


I might be kind of clueless here -- but how does white force black to transpose from the Alekhine into the French?

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White can't force that Oz but it happens some from : 1 e4 Nf6 2 Nc3 d5  3 e5 Nfd7 4 d4  e6 .... ofcourse black can and often does play 3... d4 instead. 

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AnthonyCG wrote:

Elubas plays the French. Ignore him.

Seriously though even if someone thinks an opening is boring there's always a way to spice it up. I play the English but there are plenty of ways for Black to make the game tactical.


lol, even worse -- now I only play the rubinstein french!

It's considered super boring (probably by people who have never played it Tongue out), but it's just an opening like anything else you play in the first few moves. Black just gets his pieces out before he does anything else, and for white to maintain an edge against black's solid position he has to play very actively. Otherwise, black will get everything out and be equal. It's what some may call dull equality, but against a weaker player black can easily take over, since the game is open and lots of piece play is still waiting to happen.

Well, actually, I guess this only addresses why it's good -- not so much why it's fun... winning is fun...

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The English is indeed less chaotic, at least in nature, to study; yet I play 1 d4 with no intention to play from anything else but experience! And I never get a problem!

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Reb wrote:

White can't force that Oz but it happens some from : 1 e4 Nf6 2 Nc3 d5  3 e5 Nfd7 4 d4  e6 .... ofcourse black can and often does play 3... d4 instead. 


Interesting.

If black REALLY wanted to avoid the French, he could play 2...e5, or 3...d4 as you suggested.

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The Nimzo Indian, of course. Wink

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LordNazgul wrote:

1.c4 e6 -the White's best is to transpose into QGD now

1. c4 Nf6 - the White's best is to play d4 and transpose into an Indian defence

1.c4 c6 - the White's best is to transpose into the Slav

1. c4 e5 - in this rare case, the White gets to play the reversed Sicilian, and we all know how the Sicilian is theory - free.

Also my aunt married 15 times and is still a virgin.


White's best is to transpose, but you could also say at move one "white's best" is most likely to not play 1 c4! From the former, he can take a more restrained approach if he wants, often adopting a reti-like setup, with a double fianchetto. Of course, black gets easy equality.

You wrongly assume that 1 c4 e5 must have the same amount of theory as 1 e4 c5. In reversed sicilian positions, the tempo is literally enough to vitiate all of the sharp lines white often does when he plays 1 e4. Assuming you are talking about the reversed open, 1 c4 e5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 Nf3 Nc6 4 g3 d5 5 cxd5 Nxd5 6 Bg2,  the play tends to be more positional then, with black focusing on the center; it is not an especially theoretical line by any means.

Actually, the fact that black needs to play 6...Nb6 already illustrates the power of the tempo -- this is a move that with reversed colors would be rather unattractive; but here it's nearly forced: white is threatening 7 Nxe5! 6...Be6 tries to hold the knight but white is going to then play a quick d4 and the d5 knight will really start to feel the pressure once the d file opens up; white is somewhat better there.

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ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
Flamma_Aquila wrote:

I find the French boring as watching paint dry. I play it only occasionally (when white forces me to transpose my Alekhine's Defense into the French) and I just don't like it!


I might be kind of clueless here -- but how does white force black to transpose from the Alekhine into the French?

lol