London system...Early e5!!!!

Maxito12345

HI! I have recently been trying to learn the London system, and was practicing against my friend, when an early e5 was played (1.d4 Nc6 2. Bf4 e5) and although i ended up winning the game, i wasnt so comfortable with the position. 

I am a new player seeking help, does anyone know any good lines or variations against an early e5?

IMBacon
Maxito12345
So, always capture om e5? Or should i in some situations NOT capture?
IMBacon
Maxito12345 wrote:
So, always capture om e5? Or should i in some situations NOT capture?

There are other moves, but i would prefer taking the pawn.

Maxito12345

okay, thanks a lot for the help, but this seems to divert a bit from the london system??? or am i missing something here? Soryy for all the questions, but i just like having everything in order!

Die_Schanze

Btw. you get the same line against 1...e5:

 

IMBacon
Maxito12345 wrote:

okay, thanks a lot for the help, but this seems to divert a bit from the london system??? or am i missing something here? Soryy for all the questions, but i just like having everything in order!

Openings are obviously part of the game, and its important to have a firm understanding of the openings you play.  But what is even more important is to have a firm understanding of the position on the board.   Theory is nice, but you have to know when to play he position on the board.

Die_Schanze
Maxito12345 hat geschrieben:

okay, thanks a lot for the help, but this seems to divert a bit from the london system??? or am i missing something here? Soryy for all the questions, but i just like having everything in order!

It makes no sense to stick on a standard london system development scheme aginst everything. Sometimes like here it is much better to deviate from that "standard". 

And there is practically no alternative to dxe5, because the bishop is attacked once and the d4-pawn is attacked twice.

 

With 2. Nf3 e5 3. c3 you could "archive" some position which could get something like a standard london, but black has allready equalized instead of having a bad postion in the line FishEyedFools gave you. And anyway, what to do against a 1...e5 move order?  

Maxito12345

thanks for the advice, this will help out a lot!

If anyone has more to add to the thread, please do, but i feel rather covered for next time i see this line, thank you.

NovaldyFelix
Try moving the pawn forward instead?

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[Date "02/27/2018 05:54PM"]
[White "White (0)"]
[Black "Black (0)"]

1.d4 Nc6 2.d5 Ne5 3.f4 Ng6 4.f5 Ne5 5.e4
melvinbluestone

    The London system makes more sense against 1...Nf6. In the line 1.d4 Nc6 2.Bf4 is probably okay, but 2...d6 easily blunts the bishop's effectiveness, Simply 2.e4. c4 or Nf3 better maintains white's control of the center. Your games was a transposition of the dubious, but usually a lot of fun, Englund gambit. After 1.d4 Nc6 2.Bf4 e5 3.dxe5 Qe7 4.Nc3! Nex5 5.Nd5! black is already in trouble.

melvinbluestone
Die_Schanze wrote:

Btw. you get the same line against 1...e5:

 

      White can be really adventurous and not even bother retreating the bishop, 5.Bd2. He can just continue with 5.Nc3, aiming for d5 again, as in this funny blitz game.......

 

Yigor
Maxito12345 wrote:

HI! I have recently been trying to learn the London system, and was practicing against my friend, when an early e5 was played (1.d4 Nc6 2. Bf4 e5) and although i ended up winning the game, i wasnt so comfortable with the position. 

I am a new player seeking help, does anyone know any good lines or variations against an early e5?

 

Bah, this 2...e5? is just a bad gambit and 3. dxe5 is better than 4. Bxe5. peshka.png

BobbyTalparov

Maxito12345 wrote:

okay, thanks a lot for the help, but this seems to divert a bit from the london system??? or am i missing something here? Soryy for all the questions, but i just like having everything in order!

System openings allow you to play your basic moves unless your opponent does something to shake that up. As always, tactics come first, so when he creates a threat, you must handle it. I often play an early c5 against the London to serve the same purpose (i.e. to get a London player out of their comfort zone).