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zizgz

There have been some posts about this controversial opening: some love it, and some hate it.

Personally, I'm having really good results with it: it is sound, it is solid, but sometimes it allows aggressive attacks. I particularly like Simon Wiliams' lines, from his dvd on chessbase and from some videos here on chess.com. He suggests an early Bf4 and against g6 he suggests Nc3. His suggestions seem really sound to me. What do you think of this opening? This next chess year I'm planning only playing these lines with white.

zizgz

It seems this theme doesn't generate must response. Any ideas?

testaaaaa

yes, a game would be good, i saw the three part series from him on youtube and absolutely loved it. He explained it very good and easy (sorry deirde^^) and if you follow this instructions and even have a dvd or somthing its a good choice. Normally its not recommended to play only systems if you start out because you dont expose yourself to different situations. Williams however doesnt play the london passive but very aggressive, that could be good for a beginner to get familiar with tactics.

FunnyAnimatorJimTV

In my opinion the London has great opportunities for the future. Even when it is best to build the pyramid, like in the d5 mainline, new theory is developing rapidly lately. The London is a fairly young, not-very-explored-that-much opening. The London System is not a boring, dumb, passive, beginner opening. With experiments of moves, we can make it a very interesting, aggressive mainline opening as good as the Queen's Gambit or Ruy Lopez. At least that's my take. Happy Checkmating

testaaaaa

did you make the study of the london system master games?happy.png

FunnyAnimatorJimTV

That said, there is this ONE critical variation: 

In my opinion this is the opinion that puts white to the test the hardest. If any of you have any suggestions then I'd be glad to hear them. Thanks

FunnyAnimatorJimTV

@testaaaaa Yep I did happy.png

testaaaaa

what do you thing about the book the agile london system? it had mixed reviews

Chess4Him
FunnyAnimatorJimTV wrote:

That said, there is this ONE critical variation: 

In my opinion this is the opinion that puts white to the test the hardest. If any of you have any suggestions then I'd be glad to hear them. Thanks

 

Nice work in the diagram and a good question.  I introduced this thread to our group ( https://www.chess.com/club/londoneers) to handle your question as we continue to study or update to the latest theories and novelties.  

I also note that you have been quite active in LS curiosities and your forum threads are very well put.  Although you play a lot of bullet games, I see you like to slow down to some correspondence games to hone your repertoires and your ratings seem to show great success.

That said, we have identified many critical tests of the "LS" and your curiosity in this post for a particular move order has not made it to our tests.   Overall, we find most "tests" of the LS exist in openings like the KID and the Dutch.  Specific "book" move orders are analyzed from our resources and databases.  Therefore, I look forward to your quest in an upcoming vote chess challenge.

In the meantime, Kamsky shows his prowess with the popular Qb3  sortie followed by Nf3.  We find Nf3 played  4 to 1 over dxc5 in part to develop verses removing passive tension on the board.  I'll post his game below.  So far, we see no "drawbacks" to either move (Nf3 or dxc5) rather, the Black pieces are still challenged to find a good middlegame. 

 

  

zizgz

Hi,

In relation to the critical tests, I find it problematic against the Dutch. That's why I choose against 2...f5, playing a different approach with 3.Nc3 and 4.Bg5. Against the King's Indian and Grunfeld set-ups, with g6, I play with Nc3, instead of c3, and I've been scoring very well. An example (my opponent didn't play very well, but it is only to show you the approach):