Magnus Carlsen not using standard chess openings?

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"I went on chessgames.com to check it out. I didnt see any games where hes not using a standard chess openings?"

Not even this one?

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1671724

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Nothing much, it is part of the silly stuff often seen in, vote chess games for example, were people think can determine best moves at very earlier stage of game. It was quite popular way of avoid Petroff for a bit. Larsen the best danish player before Carlsen, won quite a few games with it.

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TwoMove wrote:

Larsen the best danish player before Carlsen, won quite a few games with it.

Carlsen is not Danish FYI.

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Opps oh well was close.

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TwoMove wrote:

Opps oh well was close.

Yes, only off by 200 years.

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EternalChess wrote:

This is one non-standard opening he uses (and so do I now).

 

 



Is Carlesen White or Black in this one, and do you happen to have a link to that particular entire game (or others)?

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It's clearly white, because there isn't anything remotely non-standard about black's opening. Can't recall Carlsen playing this, but it is typical and pretty easy to avoid heavy theory as white. As far as I can tell his main motivation is to avoid opponent's software preparation. As black it isn't so easy to play any old rubbish. So plays well-known openings like Berlin defence, and Bogo Indian, which set up positions were computerised prepartion isn't of much benefict, and old school planning and positional understanding more important. That's of course the main requirement for making this style of play effective. Back in the day Nunn commeted on people copying Karpov's style of getting something from nothing, that most other players got nothing from nothing.

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mecuelgalapieza wrote:

He can use blunt openings simply because he is the best and can get something even from them. But, sometimes, he goes too far, for example in Sinquefield, he tried an ackward opening against Caruana ( 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4?!) and he was completely crushed. But it doesn´t happen very frequently.

whats wrong with bishops opening 

thats a good opening . it can transform into ruy .aiso it has same gameplay as of ruy . and as far as game considered carlson was in winning position . i wondered why he resigned !!

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It might be something to do with e-pawn dropping by force then being a bishop for nothing down. Anyways blaming the lose on 2.Bc4 developing a peice is clearly nonsense, and white didn't have a serious disadvantage until 24e5. The full game is annotated here.

http://en.chessbase.com/post/sinquefield-03-couldn-t-be-better

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Jion_Wansu escribió:

What is wrong with 2. Bc4? Carlsen also plays poker.

ok, maybe my comment was a bit exaggerated, but, in fact, is a movement not very popular in chess highest level.

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FM1127 wrote:

I ve read, in many posts on this forum, that Magnus Carlsen doesnt use normal chess openings.  So i went on chessgames.com to check it out.  I didnt see any games  where hes not using a standard chess openings?  

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Carlsen has over 10 000 games in his memory, so we can assume that includes a lot of different openings

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I hate posting on dead threads but I think this is a good one to hopefully get an answer from. I'm very against how much memorization goes into modern chess. I'm happy to play someone who's had in-depth coaching and done a lot of studying on the theory of chess (tactics and strategy, things like that). But to play memorized openings like so many experienced amateurs and above do, feels like a rip-off to me. I assume that contributes to why so many people think chess is dying. It's so much science now and much less art. I wish openings were played int he same way middle and end games are played. But I'm a beginner so maybe it's foolish to think like that.

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I love how Carlsen plays and wins. He avoids popular main lines to avoid novelties discovered by Komodo, Stockfish, Houdini. etc. This is true chess where the game is won by middle game n endgame skills, not home opening preparation.

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The memorisation in modern chess is only really happening at top level of play. They probably have a more creative spin on what they are doing. Don't think amateur/club players are playing significantly different than twenty\thirty years ago. At least in OTB play.

The highly computerised "opening preparation" might see in online play, like here on chess com, is when people "forget" that the preparation should be done before the game as started.

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FM1127 wrote:

I think that not playing standard openings is the way to go for all levels.  Especially for begineers because your forced to think every move instead of a memorized openings.  Plus it makes for some exciting games in my opinion.  

 Yeah, who wants to waste their life learning the grünfield main line? It's so complicated, yet so boring...

Seriously, though,If everyone played standard openings, of what use would it be to chess? Carlsen is a GM, it's his right to improve chess by ,making his own theory.

He will improve on theory already made by other GMs of the past.