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Modern, Pirc, etc. are all King Indian. Right?
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No, not whatsoever. The Modern and Pirc are different but tend to lead to similar positions but the KID is completely different. The KID is only played against 1. d4/c4/Nf3 and normally leads to positions radically different from the Modern and Pirc because White has played c4.
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FizzyBand wrote:
No, not whatsoever. The Modern and Pirc are different but tend to lead to similar positions but the KID is completely different. The KID is only played against 1. d4/c4/Nf3 and normally leads to positions radically different from the Modern and Pirc because White has played c4.
Well, the ideas are kind of the same.
I mean, c4 is possible in the King's Indian but usually not in the Pirc.
But other than that, I don't see how they are that different.
Man back in either the late 80s or 90s I tried playing the Pric. I was a Alekhine’s Defense and KID player. I studied Chernev’s book but the center was different. In the KID you fight against e4 from move one. In the Pric white has e4 on the first move. I could get myself into trouble really fast on the black side of the Pirc.
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JackRoach hat geschrieben:
Title. I mean, obviously in the beginning it's slightly different. But they're all the same in the late middlegame, right?
Bad troll attempt
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Try playing against the conservative c3 white center vs the aggressive c4 white center. They are completely different. The first is a grind. The second is a dice roll.
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B1ZMARK wrote:
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
Title. I mean, obviously in the beginning it's slightly different. But they're all the same in the late middlegame, right?
Bad troll attempt
Wdym.
They all end up with a pawn on d6, king's bishop fianchettoed, 0-0, and Nf6.
I don't see much difference. I heard Levy say, "Oh, he's playing the Modern." and later he called it the King's Indian.
JackRoach wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
No, not whatsoever. The Modern and Pirc are different but tend to lead to similar positions but the KID is completely different. The KID is only played against 1. d4/c4/Nf3 and normally leads to positions radically different from the Modern and Pirc because White has played c4.
Well, the ideas are kind of the same.
I mean, c4 is possible in the King's Indian but usually not in the Pirc.
But other than that, I don't see how they are that different.
I think you're underestimating how different c4 makes the positions. In the KID main lines (Mar Del Plata), White's entire strategy is based around queenside play that is impossible without c4, for example.
JackRoach wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
Title. I mean, obviously in the beginning it's slightly different. But they're all the same in the late middlegame, right?
Bad troll attempt
Wdym.
They all end up with a pawn on d6, king's bishop fianchettoed, 0-0, and Nf6.
I don't see much difference. I heard Levy say, "Oh, he's playing the Modern." and later he called it the King's Indian.
White can allow Black to transpose to the KID from the Modern but by no means has to.
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JackRoach hat geschrieben:
B1ZMARK wrote:
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
Title. I mean, obviously in the beginning it's slightly different. But they're all the same in the late middlegame, right?
Bad troll attempt
Wdym.
They all end up with a pawn on d6, king's bishop fianchettoed, 0-0, and Nf6.
I don't see much difference. I heard Levy say, "Oh, he's playing the Modern." and later he called it the King's Indian.
The modern can transpose into the kings Indian. The kings Indian cannot transpose into the modern.
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FizzyBand wrote:
JackRoach wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
No, not whatsoever. The Modern and Pirc are different but tend to lead to similar positions but the KID is completely different. The KID is only played against 1. d4/c4/Nf3 and normally leads to positions radically different from the Modern and Pirc because White has played c4.
Well, the ideas are kind of the same.
I mean, c4 is possible in the King's Indian but usually not in the Pirc.
But other than that, I don't see how they are that different.
I think you're underestimating how different c4 makes the positions. In the KID main lines (Mar Del Plata), White's entire strategy is based around queenside play that is impossible without c4, for example.
I mean, sometimes I play against the Modern or Pirc.
Then, on where it says the openings, it suddenly transitions to KID
The Pirc is a poor man's King's Indian. It gives white the centre.
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B1ZMARK wrote:
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
B1ZMARK wrote:
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
Title. I mean, obviously in the beginning it's slightly different. But they're all the same in the late middlegame, right?
Bad troll attempt
Wdym.
They all end up with a pawn on d6, king's bishop fianchettoed, 0-0, and Nf6.
I don't see much difference. I heard Levy say, "Oh, he's playing the Modern." and later he called it the King's Indian.
The modern can transpose into the kings Indian. The kings Indian cannot transpose into the modern.
Yes, I know.
That's why I didn't say in the title, "They're all the same," I said, "They're all usually KID"
JackRoach wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
JackRoach wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
No, not whatsoever. The Modern and Pirc are different but tend to lead to similar positions but the KID is completely different. The KID is only played against 1. d4/c4/Nf3 and normally leads to positions radically different from the Modern and Pirc because White has played c4.
Well, the ideas are kind of the same.
I mean, c4 is possible in the King's Indian but usually not in the Pirc.
But other than that, I don't see how they are that different.
I think you're underestimating how different c4 makes the positions. In the KID main lines (Mar Del Plata), White's entire strategy is based around queenside play that is impossible without c4, for example.
I mean, sometimes I play against the Modern or Pirc.
Then, on where it says the openings, it suddenly transitions to KID
I would not take that opening thing in live chess too seriously...
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JackRoach hat geschrieben:
B1ZMARK wrote:
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
B1ZMARK wrote:
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
Title. I mean, obviously in the beginning it's slightly different. But they're all the same in the late middlegame, right?
Bad troll attempt
Wdym.
They all end up with a pawn on d6, king's bishop fianchettoed, 0-0, and Nf6.
I don't see much difference. I heard Levy say, "Oh, he's playing the Modern." and later he called it the King's Indian.
The modern can transpose into the kings Indian. The kings Indian cannot transpose into the modern.
Yes, I know.
That's why I didn't say in the title, "They're all the same," I said, "They're all usually KID"
Watch white play f4 instead of c4 and cry.
JackRoach wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
B1ZMARK wrote:
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
Title. I mean, obviously in the beginning it's slightly different. But they're all the same in the late middlegame, right?
Bad troll attempt
Wdym.
They all end up with a pawn on d6, king's bishop fianchettoed, 0-0, and Nf6.
I don't see much difference. I heard Levy say, "Oh, he's playing the Modern." and later he called it the King's Indian.
The modern can transpose into the kings Indian. The kings Indian cannot transpose into the modern.
Yes, I know.
That's why I didn't say in the title, "They're all the same," I said, "They're all usually KID"
The semantics don't make your assertion any more valid
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Well, yeah.
When I played e4 I played the Austrian attack before against the Pirc.
Title. I mean, obviously in the beginning it's slightly different. But they're all the same in the late middlegame, right?