my anti-d4 prep ends up with either of these positions

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BlunderMaster-123

As a human, which color would you prefer to play for both?

1.

2.

ThrillerFan

Couldn't tell you - what the bleep opening is this? Looks like whatever you are calling "Anti-d4 Prep" is hot garbage. Whatever it is I would likely take White, but bet my follow up on moves 2 onward would be vastly different than whatever garbage moves you made for White here!

BlunderMaster-123
ThrillerFan wrote:

Couldn't tell you - what the bleep opening is this? Looks like whatever you are calling "Anti-d4 Prep" is hot garbage. Whatever it is I would likely take White, but bet my follow up on moves 2 onward would be vastly different than whatever garbage moves you made for White here!

Ethan_Brollier

Into the Black Knights' Tango I much prefer either 3. Nc3 taking you into a Chigorin or 3. Nf3 just shutting down all of your prospects.

Jasonosaurus

I would rather play the White side in both positions. The white king is awfully exposed, but Black really doesn't have any pieces out to threaten anything. If I was playing White here, I'd try to give my king some kind of safety, maybe queen-side castle - at least in the first position, with queens still on the board. And then get my pieces out as fast as possible, hitting the black queen and trying to pick up pawns. But I can imagine that if White is slow, all those black pawns could be a problem, avalanching down the board. It would no doubt be a very interesting and crazy game! happy.png

magipi

What happens if white happens to develop some pieces instead of just pushing pawns? Do you have a prep for that too?

tygxc

@6

Just 3 Nc3 looks good.

Honchkrowabcd

1. Black because I like the active Queen

2. White because White has more material and even though Black has more development White's King looks pretty safe

Compadre_J

The move which looks scary to me is if white played 3.Nf3.

Kyobir
Honchkrowabcd wrote:

1. Black because I like the active Queen

2. White because White has more material and even though Black has more development White's King looks pretty safe

Black has all 8 pawnz

Kyobir

anyways I would prefer to play black in both positions

ThrillerFan
Compadre_J wrote:

The move which looks scary to me is if white played 3.Nf3.

If White plays 3.Nf3, Black is basically forced into the Zurich Variation of the Nimzo-Indian.

DrSpudnik

You could try playing something good instead.

Christoffer_go

White is better in both becouse white up material and white can develope and have a edge but wtf even is this crazy chess. This is what a crazy person would play.

crazedrat1000

It doesnt look that bad, not the ideal engine line but it's within the range of acceptable eval... the real problem with it is this position is very rare. Pushing c4 > d5 > e4 > f4 is not whites most common response, or even close, I see 14 games of the position ever played.

punchdrunkpatzer

Just play 1..c5 the Old Benoni and avoid your opponent's d4 prep. Despite the widespread opinion that it's a bad opening, it is very strong if you know the motifs and it ruins the London player's day.

Shakaali
BlunderMaster-123 wrote:

As a human, which color would you prefer to play for both?

1.

2.

I would definitely take white in the first one. I would imagine that after Nf3 white's better activity and two minor pieces should be much more significant in the near future than black's extra rook (that has no open files) and two pawns.

I would also probably prefer to play white in the second one although the situation is not as clear and I would probably need to peform some analysis and try some variations to get better idea how the game might develop. Technically black is ahead in material with four pawn against a knight but this is more of a queenless middle game than ending so I believe white's better activity should be at least sufficient compensation.

pcalugaru

Looks like whatever you are calling "Anti-d4 Prep" is hot garbage!.

lol...

Compadre_J
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Just play 1..c5 the Old Benoni and avoid your opponent's d4 prep. Despite the widespread opinion that it's a bad opening, it is very strong if you know the motifs and it ruins the London player's day.

You might be slightly confusing what people are saying.

I don’t think people are calling the Benoni bad.

I think people are just calling the move order your using to get into the Benoni bad.

The correct way to get into Benoni is by starting with 1…Nf6.

It is the Modern Benoni move order.

1…c5 is Old Benoni move order which can cause issues for Black if White doesn’t play c4.

Just give you an example:

You see because Black played c5 sooner.

It allowed White a chance to play different move vs. c4

The Benoni tries to let White over extend by putting pawns in the center. Than the Benoni tries to counter attack and undermine White center.

If White doesn’t play c4, it ruins some of the counter attacking and undermine operations.

You can’t counter attack something which isn’t their.

The move 1…Nf6 is better for Black for few reasons.

1) It’s a move players in the Benoni play anyway.

2) It gives White a chance to follow up with c4.

3) It doesn’t commit Black to a Benoni which means Black is still flexible to play something else on the off chance White doesn’t play c4.

sndeww
ThrillerFan wrote:

bet my follow up on moves 2 onward would be vastly different than whatever garbage moves you made for White here!

well he was right guys