My System against the Modern Defense

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BirdsDaWord

Bresando, of course, if I begin with 1. f4, then you are correct about the way I achieve my games.  But if I begin with 1. e4, then I have a choice of 2. f4 or 2. d4.  Practically, 2. d4 takes the lion's share of the center, but I guess it still has something to do with preference.  Normally, after f4, my bishop waits patiently for the right moment.  

ShadowIKnight

But bresando says that d4 is a BETTER move, which it possibly and probably is...?
However, f4 is actually much less common, which may mean that it is more effective in some cases. I myself do not know what to do against f4, but am well suited to dealing with d4s. everytime i see f4 coming in im like what to do

BirdsDaWord

Shadow, that is the whole point of my playing 1. f4.  Lack of theory, and I am comfortable in the situations, having played them for years.  I would say that d4 is better based on the principles behind chess, but there you go Wink

ShadowIKnight

A good idea around your level, and even up to the 1900s. Hmm, but I think if i were to learn a system, im going to stray away from f4 because it looks a bit too open :D d4 is open enough for me =P im an e4 player, and sticking in d4 for me is preferable over f4.

BirdsDaWord

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend 1. f4 to someone to begin with, although I did.  It is a complex system to learn.  But years later, I fair well with it.  

ShadowIKnight

:D thus the variety of chess is born, and we get more interesting games

BirdsDaWord

Okay, I played this guy earlier and had a very interesting game where I made a very early blunder that made my king take a walk!  I will post a bit of the first game, but the second one became a King's Gambit with an early ...g6.  I liked the way I handled the second game - White's moves all seemed natural.  I especially liked g3!  I felt the game was smooth and fluid (the way I like chess to be!), and maybe we can learn from this game as part of the system as well. 

First, the game with the dreadful fxe5?!

The second time, I was more awake!

I think this setup has some good ideas in it.  I think g3! was important in the setup, and helped White to maintain good pressure on Black's setup.  g3 is a typical idea from King's Gambit structures, and I think any Bird player should understand King's Gambit structures, as sometimes they do resemble each other, and can share ideas. 
BirdsDaWord

I played the same opponent right afterwards, he played the same setup with the White pieces.  I tried hard to remember the ideas that I employed the first time against him.  In many ways, this is a mirror image of the first game. The idea ...g6! is used once again (I say once again in reference to using g3! with the White pieces).

ShadowIKnight

Post 30 2nd game, as black I would have played Bh3 asap. Also, fxg3 instead of leaving it hanging, though that might cause problems.

BirdsDaWord

yes, fxg3, sacking the piece to open White's kingside.  That is the provocative nature of this move, I suppose, and probably a good way to test it. 

chessmaster102

Wow you wouldn't believe this but I just played something like this yesterday. man I wish this forum was there then. I'm going by our OTB rating not chess.com

ChristovKleijn

I use the austrian attack against the modern and sometimes Pirc, but against the Pirc, there is this interesting system ..

 

BirdsDaWord

Cool idea!  It is good to discuss other approaches.  I won't dare advocate mine to be the best by far, but a reasonable approach without a lot of theory. 

ShadowIKnight

What happens to 18 kf7 then 19 kf8 after rook checks? white can double ont he file, but i dont see an immediate way to win.

as for previously, fxg3 losing apiece was a mistake, a definite no no =P dont play fxg3 ever.

ChristovKleijn
ShadowIKnight wrote:

What happens to 18 kf7 then 19 kf8 after rook checks? white can double ont he file, but i dont see an immediate way to win.

as for previously, fxg3 losing apiece was a mistake, a definite no no =P dont play fxg3 ever.


 The variation Is there, there is a win, mating follows. 18. Kf7 Rd7+ Kf8 Bh6#

Checkmate.

opticRED

Since we are already into the modern defense, I was wondering how do you fight this line? I always get a nasty pawn structure with this line

thanks in advance!
ShadowIKnight
ChristovKleijn wrote:
ShadowIKnight wrote:

What happens to 18 kf7 then 19 kf8 after rook checks? white can double ont he file, but i dont see an immediate way to win.

as for previously, fxg3 losing apiece was a mistake, a definite no no =P dont play fxg3 ever.


 The variation Is there, there is a win, mating follows. 18. Kf7 Rd7+ Kf8 Bh6#

Checkmate.


 oh sorry i swear it wasn't there before, cus i checked to movelist like twice to see the variations (not specifically for kf7, but just clicking aroudn). =P

BirdsDaWord

opticnerve, there is a similar idea to that in 1. d4 structures, with a bit of a Dutch twist.

SenilePinkHipster
opticnerve wrote:

Since we are already into the modern defense, I was wondering how do you fight this line? I always get a nasty pawn structure with this line

 

thanks in advance!

I'd probably play it like that.

ShadowIKnight

Book moves are Nf3 and dxc5, but im sure d5 is ok too.

Ill take you through it xD