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...and on what you go on to do with your c pawn.
A lot of times, that will end up as a Colle, but not if you go c4 in the really near future.
well they go with d4, then i move e3.
sorry, they go d5 rather. ugh.
Jun 10, 2013
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#6
You may need more moves to find out what opening it is, but for right now it's still called a Queen's pawn opening, I believe:)
queen's pawn opening, that's it. thanks a lot :)
Actually, it looks like the first two moves of the Stonewall. Further move order includes 3. Bd3, 4. Nd2, 5. f4. Learned it a while back from Horowitz & Reinfeld's "How to Think Ahead in Chess." Old book, but worth a read if you can find it.
Did a little research in MCO. In there it is listed as a "Reversed Stonewall." Only actual lines I could find that started with 1. d4 and 2. e3 were listed on pg 502, lines 1 - 3. First two are listed under the "Colle" system. Line 3 is the "Reversed Stonewall." Stonewall is some formation arising from certain lines of the Dutch Defense.
wow thanks, u did a lot more research than me for sure ha.
its only a stonewall if white plays 1.d4 and black responds with 1....f5. i think its still a queen pawn game if black responds 1....d5.
What's the point of 2.e3 after 1.d4 d5, though?
2. e3 is a move you will find in the Queen's Pawn game (ECO A45 I believe). This typically is meant for one of three things:
a) the player of the White pieces wants a closed game but either does not know or is intimidated by playing into unfamiliar lines arising from Queen's gambit lines including the Dutch or Slav complexes.
b) the player wants to play into perhaps a London or Colle System as suggested by previous postings as well, which against unprepared players can be a good surprise weapon, especially if they put together lines involving say, 2.. e6 or 2.. c6.
c) the player wants to go into a QGD line by transposition, developing it into a mainline variant depending on Black's replies, often understanding the ideas behind where to go a bit better and getting the 2nd player out of book.
As Black on 1. d4 d5 2. e3, I will adopt either 2... c6 with the option of playing a marshall defense QGD if 3. c4 or a Slav/Semi Slav Defense depending on the first Knight move White plays, or simply play along with White with 2... e6 anticipating 3. Nf3 Nf6 and now White is at a crossroads: either play 4. c4 entering the QGD mainline without the Bg5 option or play 4. Be2 or 4. Be3. I also can prepare for London and Colle System play from here if 4. c3 with good chances after 4... Be7. The text is solid and requires no committal from Black until perhaps the 4th or 5th move.
My advice is when faced with an opening like this: find openings that have this formation and unless there is a surprise to watch for (which in this case there is not) simply play into what is familiar to you in those lines..
GL in your games.
Jun 12, 2013
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#15
2.e3 is a largely inferior move, and typically says one of two things about the player:
1) He intends to play the Stonewall Attack with 3.f4 against any response by Black. This is largely inferior. Just like the Stonewall Dutch, it only works under certain circumstances, and otherwise Black should play the Classical Dutch setup. The same thing goes here. This is why those that like to play the Stonewall Attack should play 1.f4, and even then, you can't pre-meditate a Stonewall and succeed. It's only against certain responses and move orders by Black that it truly works.
2) He has virtually no clue at all what he's doing, and needs to study Opening Concepts (NOT SPECIFIC OPENINGS). This guy is playing White. He should be attacking, not defending. Already on move 2, White is shutting in his Bishop on c1! Compare this to more normal lines where White actually develops this piece before shutting the door. For example, 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 (Black shuts in his Bishop because his strongpoint, d5, was attacked by White's c-pawn. The White d4-pawn is not threatened, and so e3 is completely and utterly useless!) 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 (or 4.cxd5 exd5 and either 5.Bg5 or 5.Bf4) Be7 and only now, 5.e3, now that the Bishop is active, followed by 6.Nf3, etc etc.
Even those that play the Colle or Zukertort correctly start with 2.Nf3, and there are certain scenarios here where they must deviate from their norm, though not near as many as those that play the Stonewall Attack.
a bit more succint TF than my post but exactly in the same vein. I face 2. e3 about 1 in 15-20 games now as Black following 1. d4 d5 or even into transpositional lines. This usually signals to me a lack of solid opening theory as well and so either I play solid book line until perhaps move 6 or 7 or I simply try to steamroll the position given I already have an imbalacne to operate from beginning on move 2. Typically, I can deviate around the 7th move and the other player will be lost, allowing for setting tactical traps that are hard to either defuse of sidestep entirely. My favorite against 2. e3 is to play 2... e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 and then 4... c5 when White has no preperation for the Tarrrasch Defense given the lack of the 2. c4 move.
just curious, if my 1st move is d4, then my 2nd move is e3, what's the name for that? thanks