Need help with Danish Gambit.

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JackRoach

I know the Danish Gambit is good. I know it is, don't try to stop me from thinking that. At the VERY VERY VERY least it equalizes and it is tricky for black to handle, assuming they take every pawn.

And even if they don't, I get rapid and quick development only a pawn down and useful open lines. Usually they don't know mainline theory, so they don't know how to refute it and that giving back a pawn via d5 is good.

Problem is, I lose a lot of games with it. I win a lot, but I lose a lot too. Look at my games and tell me what I am doing wrong.

ukrainiandude

if you lose a lot of games with it...

then maybe.....

dont play it

JackRoach
ukrainiandude wrote:

if you lose a lot of games with it...

then maybe.....

dont play it

If you're bad at life, then don't live.

AdmiralAsia

Theoretically, the Danish is losing for white if black plays the best responses I believe. I looked at your last game and you played good until you blundered mate in one, another thing I saw was that the engine likes a sacrifice on f7 with the bishop so keep that in mind I guess

AdmiralAsia
JackRoach wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:

if you lose a lot of games with it...

then maybe.....

dont play it

If you're bad at life, then don't live.

jeeeeez

JackRoach
AdmiralAsia wrote:

Theoretically, the Danish is losing for white if black plays the best responses I believe. I looked at your last game and you played good until you blundered mate in one, another thing I saw was that the engine likes a sacrifice on f7 with the bishop so keep that in mind I guess

Ya. Me thinking: Ok, I can't force mate really. Might as well take the rook with a material advantage, completely overlooking mate in 1. Anyway, I don't believe the Danish is losing, maybe after a long 100-move grind with the engine top-moves, but pretty much any gambit (besides Queen's Gambit and maybe a few others) are actually winning for white. But the point is, I'm trying to learn the main ideas of the gambit. Sacs on f7 seems like something I should learn. 

ukrainiandude
JackRoach wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:

if you lose a lot of games with it...

then maybe.....

dont play it

If you're bad at life, then don't live.

agreed

AdmiralAsia
JackRoach wrote:
AdmiralAsia wrote:

Theoretically, the Danish is losing for white if black plays the best responses I believe. I looked at your last game and you played good until you blundered mate in one, another thing I saw was that the engine likes a sacrifice on f7 with the bishop so keep that in mind I guess

Ya. Me thinking: Ok, I can't force mate really. Might as well take the rook with a material advantage, completely overlooking mate in 1. Anyway, I don't believe the Danish is losing, maybe after a long 100-move grind with the engine top-moves, but pretty much any gambit (besides Queen's Gambit and maybe a few others) are actually winning for white. But the point is, I'm trying to learn the main ideas of the gambit. Sacs on f7 seems like something I should learn. 

Yeah, the Goring gambit is part of my repertoire so I'm also trying to improve on those types of tactics, a line I like is after bishop Bb4+ I play nc3, qc2, then long castle, very aggressive with the goring gambit probably works for danish too

JackRoach

The problem is, I can't just be aggressive, sacing pieces until mate because mate won't happen if I do that. I just don't know how to balance developing, attacking, and everything else.

66GeneralKenobi66

I used to use it but not anymore, instead I use the Itailian.

Comes with a fun little trap

 

JackRoach

Yeah. The Greco Gambit seems fun to play, but the win rates for black are too high for me, and they suspect a trap.

Uhohspaghettio1

You are better off having a quality opening as your main opening, learning how to press small advantages and take advantage of good positions. If you want to play it as a minor opening for fun, sure. 

JackRoach
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

You are better off having a quality opening as your main opening, learning how to press small advantages and take advantage of good positions. If you want to play it as a minor opening for fun, sure. 

Ok, what do you recommend then? 

ukrainiandude
JackRoach wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

You are better off having a quality opening as your main opening, learning how to press small advantages and take advantage of good positions. If you want to play it as a minor opening for fun, sure. 

Ok, what do you recommend then? 

the sicilian or the french or something basic like that

AdmiralAsia
ukrainiandude wrote:
JackRoach wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

You are better off having a quality opening as your main opening, learning how to press small advantages and take advantage of good positions. If you want to play it as a minor opening for fun, sure. 

Ok, what do you recommend then? 

the sicilian or the french or something basic like that

Imo Sicilian is really bad for players around our rating because even if you know how to play it, 19 out of 20 people will play something stupid and it makes the game so weird and boring if that makes sense, but i like the french

ukrainiandude
AdmiralAsia wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:
JackRoach wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

You are better off having a quality opening as your main opening, learning how to press small advantages and take advantage of good positions. If you want to play it as a minor opening for fun, sure. 

Ok, what do you recommend then? 

the sicilian or the french or something basic like that

Imo Sicilian is really bad for players around our rating because even if you know how to play it, 19 out of 20 people will play something stupid and it makes the game so weird and boring if that makes sense, but i like the french

yeah, i totally agree with you

like the bowdler attack for example is just so... weird i guess

JackRoach
ukrainiandude wrote:
JackRoach wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

You are better off having a quality opening as your main opening, learning how to press small advantages and take advantage of good positions. If you want to play it as a minor opening for fun, sure. 

Ok, what do you recommend then? 

the sicilian or the french or something basic like that

Yeah, I'm learning the French. I just want a sharp opening for white that isn't a "trap" opening. The Danish Gambit is aggressive, but if an attack fails you'll only be slightly worse assuming you didn't sac everything and you have compensation, and wits to know when to attack.

AdmiralAsia
ukrainiandude wrote:
AdmiralAsia wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:
JackRoach wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

You are better off having a quality opening as your main opening, learning how to press small advantages and take advantage of good positions. If you want to play it as a minor opening for fun, sure. 

Ok, what do you recommend then? 

the sicilian or the french or something basic like that

Imo Sicilian is really bad for players around our rating because even if you know how to play it, 19 out of 20 people will play something stupid and it makes the game so weird and boring if that makes sense, but i like the french

yeah, i totally agree with you

like the bowdler attack for example is just so... weird i guess

Exactly, Bowdler attack lmao

JackRoach
AdmiralAsia wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:
AdmiralAsia wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:
JackRoach wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

You are better off having a quality opening as your main opening, learning how to press small advantages and take advantage of good positions. If you want to play it as a minor opening for fun, sure. 

Ok, what do you recommend then? 

the sicilian or the french or something basic like that

Imo Sicilian is really bad for players around our rating because even if you know how to play it, 19 out of 20 people will play something stupid and it makes the game so weird and boring if that makes sense, but i like the french

yeah, i totally agree with you

like the bowdler attack for example is just so... weird i guess

Exactly, Bowdler attack lmao

I feel your pain. In the French they play the "knight variation," a lot, and they exchange.

AdmiralAsia
JackRoach wrote:
AdmiralAsia wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:
AdmiralAsia wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:
JackRoach wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

You are better off having a quality opening as your main opening, learning how to press small advantages and take advantage of good positions. If you want to play it as a minor opening for fun, sure. 

Ok, what do you recommend then? 

the sicilian or the french or something basic like that

Imo Sicilian is really bad for players around our rating because even if you know how to play it, 19 out of 20 people will play something stupid and it makes the game so weird and boring if that makes sense, but i like the french

yeah, i totally agree with you

like the bowdler attack for example is just so... weird i guess

Exactly, Bowdler attack lmao

I feel your pain. In the French they play the "knight variation," a lot, and they exchange.

Generally in the knight variation it just transposes into the advance or exchange variations with a different move order, sometimes the two knights variation, but the french exchange is boring