Opening Theory Is Pointless For Most People That Will Ever Play. Why Bother?

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kindaspongey wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

... Most chess authors who write opening books aim their books at competitive club players and above. Such players are far above the average chess player.

"... For inexperienced players, I think the model that bases opening discussions on more or less complete games that are fully annotated, though with a main focus on the opening and early middlegame, is the ideal. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2010)
"... Everyman Chess has started a new series aimed at those who want to understand the basics of an opening, i.e., the not-yet-so-strong players. ... I imagine [there] will be a long series based on the premise of bringing the basic ideas of an opening to the reader through plenty of introductory text, game annotations, hints, plans and much more. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf

Unsurprisingly, I agree with my friend, Carsten Hansen. There's a paradox for chess authors in that the people who will benefit most from opening books are too few to make them worth printing, so authors actually rely on people for whom the books are too advanced in order to make ends meet. 

 

Everyman Chess has published some very interesting opening book series, including the  "Starting Out" series. The Starting Out books are generally fewer than 200 pages, and fairly heavy in wordy explanations.  (KindaSpongey doesn't seem to notice that the people he quotes are often at odds with each other. Willy Hendrix considers this to be a serious flaw in opening books.) 

 

The "Move by Move" series is for more serious players, and may attract readers rated up to 2500. But they are not really designed for top flight use, and probably are only marginally helpful for correspondence chess. John Emms is probably my favorite "Move by Move" author. 

 

But as Carsten Hansen pointed out, and as I mentioned elsewhere, studying complete games that are well annotated is a better use of time for most players. 

Again, even the "Starting Out" series is geared towards players who already know something about chess and are probably already above average strength! But also, the opening chess book industry relies on people overestimating their strength and who like to buy opening books even if they would be better off buying good game collections.

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SmyslovFan wrote:

... The Starting Out books are generally fewer than 200 pages, and fairly heavy in wordy explanations.  (KindaSpongey doesn't seem to notice that the people he quotes are often at odds with each other. Willy Hendrix considers this to be a serious flaw in opening books.) ...

"... Maybe this warning against the study of openings especially focuses on 'merely learning moves'. But almost all opening books and DVD's give ample attention to general plans and developing schemes, typical tactics, whole games, and so on. ..." - IM Willy Hendriks (2012)

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SmyslovFan wrote:

... The "Move by Move" series is for more serious players, and may attract readers rated up to 2500. But they are not really designed for top flight use, and probably are only marginally helpful for correspondence chess. John Emms is probably my favorite "Move by Move" author. 

 But as Carsten Hansen pointed out, and as I mentioned elsewhere, studying complete games that are well annotated is a better use of time for most players. ...

"This is the first volume in the Move by Move series ... a phenominal job in choosing illustrative games ... highly recommended for players from 1500 to 2300." - FM Carsten Hansen (2011)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627104306/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen151.pdf

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SmyslovFan wrote:

... even the "Starting Out" series is geared towards players who already know something about chess and are probably already above average strength! ...

"Starting Out: The King's Indian ... excellent job ... in terms so everybody can understand ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf

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Spongey's next game on Chess.con will be his first.

He must be a very dedicated OTB player.

Dry, crusty and uninteresting as he is, SmyslovFan happens to be very wise and knows what he is talking about.

I hope I never meet him, as he may turn out to be a nice bloke, which would really spoil my day.

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SylentSwords wrote:

Spoil it more if he folded you up!

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That was post #322 where he said that.

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What if one studies instructional annotated games? Oh, and they happen to be from the same opening? Oh, and they happen to be an opening that I will try to use in games I play? Oh, and there are instructional comments on strategic plans and tactics that show up in these annotated games with lines showing the consequences, good and bad, from various moves, good and bad, by White and Black? Terrible idea.
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"What if one studies instructional annotated games? Oh, and they happen to be from the same opening? ..." - dannyhume

 

"... Everyman Chess has started a new series aimed at those who want to understand the basics of an opening, i.e., the not-yet-so-strong players. ... I imagine [there] will be a long series based on the premise of bringing the basic ideas of an opening to the reader through plenty of introductory text, game annotations, hints, plans and much more. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf

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If you are under 1800 uscf studying the Dragon or Najdorf is a waste of time because these defense require good calculating skills. Under 1500 better concentrate on tactics and endgame, you will benefit greatly. Most players under 1800 lose through of blunders or missing tactical shots;, studying opening or strategy but are very weak in tactics, you will never become a strong player. Penadpaper0089, give an excellent example all low rated players are oblivious to this: W:Kasparov vs. B: Ponomriov require for white to win this game excellent attacking skills which you have to calculate very well, if lack calculating and attacking skills studying opening is useless. To prove my point how many commenting here and you low rated have not gone to at least 1800 fide or uscf, I bet it is your inadequacy is in tactics. I know in chess.com otb 1900 going to 2000 and dropping back to 1900 or 1800, I bet is tactics and endgame  that holding them back from staying at 2000 elo. Those who argue never reach 1800 elo where is your proof that what you say is true, you never obtain at least a decent rating. What is holding back most players is that they are incompetent in their tactics and will never have decent rating. Why stay at 1200 or lower do something about it that will give you results, and that is not studying opening; if you want real results start studying tactics and be diligent about it. I can see from my own study when I concentrate on tactics my rating goes up, I am close 2000 in daily and if I continue to study more on tactics and endgame I will go up even higher. 

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Most here can't even see three moves deep clearly in their mind and you think opening and strategy or positional will help you win more games; its a proven fact those who have higher winning percentage are better in tactics, of course I am referring to amateurs only. The amateur who is tactical beast will beat the so call positional player, that is a fact. Every talented junior was superb tactician and is not the other way around "positional".

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@yureesystem You're completely wrong! hahahahhahahhaah

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SoluopSolim wrote:

@yureesystem You're completely wrong! hahahahhahahhaah

 

 

 

Who has the higher rating? My highest otb  2110 uscf, very few players get to 2000 elo and I am now at 2010  uscf. I enter any rated fide tournament I will be at 1900 and with some study get to 2000 fide in six months.

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yuree, you will never, ever win an argument by pointing to your rating. Unless you're Magnus Carlsen, there will always be someone higher rated.

 

Rating doesn't make an argument strong, logic and evidence does.

 

btw, I agree with your general point about the relative importance of tactics. I see far too many players rated under 2000 who spend hundreds, even thousands of dollars on opening books but seem baffled that they don't improve.

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yureesystem wrote:
SoluopSolim wrote:

@yureesystem You're completely wrong! hahahahhahahhaah

 

 

 

Who has the higher rating? My highest otb  2110 uscf, very few players get to 2000 elo and I am now at 2010  uscf. I enter any rated fide tournament I will be at 1900 and with some study get to 2000 fide in six months.

I was joking BTW.

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yureesystem wrote:

... Under 1500 better concentrate on tactics and endgame, you will benefit greatly. ...

"... For beginning players, [Discovering Chess Openings] will offer an opportunity to start out on the right foot and really get a feel for what is happening on the board. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2006)

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yureesystem wrote:

... Most players under 1800 lose through of blunders or missing tactical shots;, ...

"... A remark like 'games are rarely decided in the opening' does not really do justice to the issue. ... even if an initial opening advantage gets spoiled by subsequent mistakes, this doesn't render it meaningless. In the long run, having the advantage out of the opening will bring you better results. Maybe this warning against the study of openings especially focuses on 'merely learning moves'. But almost all opening books and DVD's give ample attention to general plans and developing schemes, typical tactics, whole games, and so on. ..." - IM Willy Hendriks (2012)