Opinion on a best defense against d4

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After lot of comment on my previous forum on best defence against e4 where we discussed lot of things including some of the best defence ahain e4 i liked the idea of continue the trend and knowing peoples opinion  on defences against d4 

Your options 

  • KID
  • GRUNFELD
  • NIMZO
  • QGD 
  • SLAV
  • TARASCH 
  • BENONI 
  •  ANY OTHERS
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I play KID.

Not because it's the best, but because I enjoy those types of positions.

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I like the Modern Defence-Pterodactyl line because I’m a Sicilian Dragon player.

A close friend of mine/2300 player suggested e6, d5 and c5 to get a French/Taimanov structure being a Sicilian Taimanov player herself and I’m sure French players can relate as well. This  would cut out a lot theory for French and Taimanov players.

I guess it comes down to are you equalizing out of the opening with a playable or enjoyable middle game?

 

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Chuck639 wrote:

I like the Modern Defence-Pterodactyl line because I’m a Sicilian Dragon player.

A close friend of mine/2300 player suggested e6, d5 and c5 to get a French/Taimanov structure being a Sicilian Taimanov player herself and I’m sure French players can relate as well. This  would cut out a lot theory for French and Taimanov players.

I guess it comes down to are you equalizing out of the opening with a playable or enjoyable middle game?

 

See the  fact is you can't play same opening against everything  to cut out theory, you have to learn separate defenses  for  1.e4 and 1.d4 , 1.c4

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blueemu wrote:

I play KID.

Not because it's the best, but because I enjoy those types of positions.

There was a time i used to play kid 3 month ago but now I understood that kid Is just a useless opening snd i switched to grunfeld because

  • Modern engines has find too many ways to squeeze the kid to death
  • You will be dead lost in first 20 move if white plays the variations like samisch, makaganov, bayonet with good theoretical engine prep
  • No modern day player goes into our favourite mar del plata line where we push our kingside pawn and attack and most of the time you will find yourself defending against a huge attack
  • There is a reason kid has almost extinct in elite chess level 

And also kasparov gave up on kid after losing his title kramnik badly

 I think you want to play with bg7 play grunfeld where black has lot of tactical opportunities the bishop is lot more active and black also has good moves to break apart white center 

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The kid is too much center for white and white has a huge attack I am a d4 player and from the time I had prepared samisch system from FM Daniel barrish chessable course from 1000 to 1600 I have crushed almost every player who has played kid against me

But on the other hand grunfeld black has lot of ways to equalize and even win

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I_PLAYLIKE_CARUANA wrote:

The kid is too much center for white and white has a huge attack I am a d4 player and from the time I had prepared samisch system from FM Daniel barrish chessable course from 1000 to 1600 I have crushed almost every player who has played kid against me

There are experienced players who would walk all over FM Daniel Barrish, using the KID ...

(Pick any one of the top 10 players, for example ...)

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ChesswithNickolay wrote:

Add the Semi-Slav.

Semi slav is jus a variation of slav 

Now you don't make different tierlist for chebanko ,schleter and semi slav they are just variations of slav

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Stil1 wrote:
I_PLAYLIKE_CARUANA wrote:

The kid is too much center for white and white has a huge attack I am a d4 player and from the time I had prepared samisch system from FM Daniel barrish chessable course from 1000 to 1600 I have crushed almost every player who has played kid against me

There are experienced players who would walk all over FM Daniel Barrish, using the KID ...

Experience players will adopt fm Daniel barrish in any time control but can't adopt same skill level players magnus can't walk over hikaru,fabi Or anish with the kid 

Anyway Daniel is considered a beast at his level and undoubtedly a good player to give advise

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And bro there is a reason your experienced player prefer nimzo Or grunfeld Or qgd or semi slav over kid when playing against each other

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ChesswithNickolay wrote:
I_PLAYLIKE_CARUANA wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

Add the Semi-Slav.

Semi slav is jus a variation of slav 

Now you don't make different tierlist for chebanko ,schleter and semi slav they are just variations of slav

Not really, it is an entirely different opening once you get into the theory. It has so much theory that it deserves to be a separate opening from the Slav.

Yes you r definitely right but what I am saying is a fact that can't be changed at least now

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I_PLAYLIKE_CARUANA wrote:

Experience players will adopt fm Daniel barrish in any time control but can't adopt same skill level players magnus can't walk over hikaru,fabi Or anish with the kid 

Anyway Daniel is considered a beast at his level and undoubtedly a good player to give advise

My point is that the KID remains a valid defense, as far as I know. Even at the engine level, it's still a draw.

Anyone who claims otherwise is either trying to sell something, or has discovered some secret that the rest of the chess world doesn't yet know of ...

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I_PLAYLIKE_CARUANA wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

I like the Modern Defence-Pterodactyl line because I’m a Sicilian Dragon player.

A close friend of mine/2300 player suggested e6, d5 and c5 to get a French/Taimanov structure being a Sicilian Taimanov player herself and I’m sure French players can relate as well. This  would cut out a lot theory for French and Taimanov players.

I guess it comes down to are you equalizing out of the opening with a playable or enjoyable middle game?

 

See the  fact is you can't play same opening against everything  to cut out theory, you have to learn separate defenses  for  1.e4 and 1.d4 , 1.c4

1.e4, c5

1.d4, g6

1.c4, c5

That is my repertoire and they have transpositional opportunities which is the best I can ask for considering it gets me playable and enjoyable games.

Straight forward.

Avatar of MisterWindUpBird

I play 1d4 as white. There's only one of those options from the OP that really bothers me. , because it undermines the whole point of playing 1d4. That's as much as I can say without being kicked out of the union. 

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I_PLAYLIKE_CARUANA wrote:
blueemu wrote:

I play KID.

Not because it's the best, but because I enjoy those types of positions.

There was a time i used to play kid 3 month ago but now I understood that kid Is just a useless opening snd i switched to grunfeld because

  • Modern engines has find too many ways to squeeze the kid to death

If my opponent uses an engine, all I have to do is report him and he gets banned. Easy rating points for me.

At the level I play (and certainly at the level you play) the engine assessment of openings is not a matter of concern. Your only valid task in the opening is to reach a middle-game position in which you feel comfortable and confident.

- There is a reason kid has almost extinct in elite chess level 

So you model your play after the lines the GMs choose to use?

Here's a question for you: When a person is just now learning how to drive a car, should they zoom around at 300 km/hr, engine roaring and tires squealing, like Lewis Hamilton? After all, a Formula 1 World Champion must know a lot more about driving a car properly than some dumb driving instructor who has never won a major race... no?

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blueemu wrote:

Here's a question for you: When a person is just now learning how to drive a car, should they zoom around at 300 km/hr, engine roaring and tires squealing, like Lewis Hamilton? After all, a Formula 1 World Champion must know a lot more about driving a car properly than some dumb driving instructor who has never won a major race... no?

Great analogy. The "best" defense against 1. d4 is the one that a player can understand the best and feel most comfortable with, not what is fashionable with GMs.

Personal example: I adopted the KID in my early chess days because Fischer played it. What a dumb idea. I reluctantly abandoned it after years of mediocre results upon realizing that I really didn't grasp it. Turns out that the defense that I originally thought was boring -- the QGD -- gave me positions that I could play confidently. And THAT is what counts.

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My favorite is the Chigorin Queens gambit!

Avatar of tygxc

It is probably either Queen's Gambit Declined or Grünfeld Indian Defence.
Caruana played the Queen's Gambit Declined twice against Carlsen in their World Championship Match and Carlsen got nothing: 2 draws.
Grünfeld Indian Defence has been played 5 times in the Yekaterinburg Candidates' to 5 draws.

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I usually play QGD, Nimzo, or QID. I feel like I have a grasp as to the basic ideas of each one, and I feel like at least I understand how to form a game plan in those openings. Eventually, I will learn KID stuff as well
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 I generally played is the best one for you the QGD or the Benoni. I once played the KID and since I did not understand it I lost many games. Whatever credible opening that you like and understand