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Hey there, I've been casually playing chess for a while-and have always enjoyed the game; especially the Kings Indian Defense, which has worked well for me. As I begin to play in tournaments however, I have stumbled upon the Paleface attack. I often find myself getting overwhelmed in the center by this center-seizing maneuver, and find my king side fortress under great pressure- do you guys have any suggestions of systems that have worked well for you in the past against this?
It might be better for you to think of a good move in any particular position rather than 'systems'. We all of course like systems that negate the need to think - alas if only it were that simple - but chess would lose its charm !
Anyway, the move IMO that calls to be played is d5. If white plays e4 we can defend a Blackmar Diemer, so an antidote for black there might be called for. Black will then need to play defensively, but objectively is better - although patience is required. If instead of e4 after our d5, white can play Nc3 and we may start thinking of a c5 break at some point -thematic in d4/d5 setups...
Ditto to 2...d5. Look up the Gedult Opening (1. f3 e5), which is similar. After trading ...dxe4 fxe4 White will have a dangerous hole at his f2-square that Black's queen will constantly be eyeing for a potential ...Qh4+ attack. You'll probably want to get ...e6 in there soon, though, to hold the center against the pawn push d5.
Hey, thank you for the input guys! I've played 2..d5 every time against the paleface since you answered, and it has been working out fantastic; Suuper appreciate it!
There's lotsa strengths to f3. Especially if u castle Q-side.
d5
uh...well I'm a big fan of the saemish KID. But this f3 was played too early. At least he needs to play c4 first. If you don't play d5, he may get the saemish sort of position he wants. If you do play d5, he wont. So play d5.
Palmface attack would be a more appropriate name.![tongue.png]( "tongue")
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Someone's trying this out on me! It looks bad for White but that doesn't mean I'm not terrified![grin.png]( "grin")
It seems Black is much further ahead in development, but I see how I could struggle to seize an initiative with all the space White has.
Here's Magnus playing the Palmface Attack.
Palm captures face: a dubious move
This will likely transpose into a Blackmar-Diemer gambit.
Someone's trying this out on me! It looks bad for White but that doesn't mean I'm not terrified
It seems Black is much further ahead in development, but I see how I could struggle to seize an initiative with all the space White has.
What's the point of 3...Nc6?
Try to play quickly in centre so 3...c5 and then Nc6 or even Qb6 if white develops Bc1.
well first of all your opponent will try to circle the wagons, so you know what he's aiming for and can take appropriate countermeasures.
I won![tongue.png]( "tongue")
although I imagine that's not a surprise
After this setup from white that I have nevert seen before it is clearly that white want to play e4.
Black can do various things. First If he is a pirc of King indian player he can allow e4 by playing 2....d6 or 2...g6. After for example 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 d6 3.e4 black can play 3...g6 to enter a Pirc or he can also play 3...e5. This you can get also after 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.f3 e5 and you have the same position. After 4.d5 nlack can play the interesting 4...Nxe4!? variation.
After 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 g6 3.c4 d5 we can also enter a Grunfeld Indian with f3 that Anand played once.
You can also enter the samisch variation after 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 g6 3.e4 d6 4.c4 Bg7 5.Nc3 0-0 6.Be3
But if you want to prevent the e4 move there is only one move and that is 2...d5.
After 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 d5 white can play the blackmardiemer gambiet after 3.e4!? after all and after 3....dxe4
4.Nc3 exf3 5.Nxf3 black has several good options. 5....Bg4 and 5...g6 for example.
But white can also play 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 d5 3.Bg5
And then you can enter even a Nimzo with f3 after 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 e6 3.c4 d5 4.Nc3 Bb4
And even a Classical French after 1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 e6 3.e4 d5 4.Nc3 c6 5.e5 Nfd7 6.f4 c5 7.Nf3
Here is the game, now that it's over![happy.png]( "happy")