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I have faced a variation of the Scandinavian Defense multiple times, and I am not sure what to do against it.

Could someone please tell me what to do after Be2? Thanks in advance!

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What about if Black plays 4... Bg4? That's what my coach did...

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Gpod wrote:

What about if Black plays 4... Bg4? That's what my coach did...

5. d4 

3... Qe5 is not a good move. 

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Just play good moves Qe5 sucks.

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The idea is to play c6 and Qc7 having made White put the bishop on e2 instead of c4. You can probably play like you normally do. It's not bad like 3...Qe6 lol. 

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If have seen many time Qe6 which after Be2 was followed by Qg6 (threatening to take on g2 and to develop the light square bishop with tempo to f5 hitting the c2 pawn) but I have never seen Qe5.



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Qe5+ is officially known as the "patzer variation", but it's not that bad in fact; the idea is that black loses some time with the queen but also forces white bishop to a rather passive square (he would usually put it on c4 if given the chance in this line). Black will usually follow up with c6 and Qc7, retaining a solid and rather typical scandinavian position; the main goal is to avoid theory.You shouldn't expect a "refutation" of such a line, just parry the check with Be2, Nf3, O-O and you will be slightly better out of the opening due to your better development. Just don't go berserk in the attempt to refute black opening, this is precisely what black wants; since his pawn structure is solid and the position not no open, he will be able to refute your premature attacks.

If i remember correctly, there is a two-part article on this line avaiable at Silman's website.

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bresando wrote:

Qe5+ is officially known as the "patzer variation", but it's not that bad in fact; the idea is that black loses some time with the queen but also forces white bishop to a rather passive square (he would usually put it on c4 if given the chance in this line). Black will usually follow up with c6 and Qc7, retaining a solid and rather typical scandinavian position; the main goal is to avoid theory.You shouldn't expect a "refutation" of such a line, just parry the check with Be2, Nf3, O-O and you will be slightly better out of the opening due to your better development. Just don't go berserk in the attempt to refute black opening, this is precisely what black wants; since his pawn structure is solid and the position not no open, he will be able to refute your premature attacks.

If i remember correctly, there is a two-part article on this line avaiable at Silman's website.

All that I can find are chess book/ Asian movie reviews...

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Unfortunately he did a general reworking of his website some years ago and finding his older articles has become tricky.  Perhalps you can try to send him a personal message on his chess.com account. I'm 99% percent sure that the article was on his website. 

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I confirn it was on his website; these used to be the links, but they are not working anymore...
http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/053003_patzer_var.html

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/053003_patzer_var_2.html
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bresando wrote:

I confirn it was on his website; these used to be the links, but they are not working anymore...
http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/053003_patzer_var.html

http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/053003_patzer_var_2.html

 

 

 

Ok, I'll try that.