People playing the queen early

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leiph18

6...d6 completely ignores the previous move. I can win games in 3 moves that way.

Experienced players would play 6...d5 no calculation necessary, and in fact it's the best move.

leiph18

I like to play some tricky lines in blitz.

A problem I ran into was after a certain level people knew the correct moves or they at least knew how to avoid the traps. So now I can't really do it anymore Frown

lolurspammed

1.h4! Is a very reliable bullet weapon as well, threatening 2.a4! next move.

glamdring27

The above games show that it is possible to win with Qh5 early, nothing more!  Posting a couple of won games with some opening or other doesn't suddenly validate it!

vishwa-kun

Taking out the queen in the beginning have exceptions. For example, in a nimzo - indian variation, 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qb3.

This is one of the variations.  

WittyBlunder

Nothing wrong with playing the queen early, considering Magnus carlsen's game against Bill Gates!

ThomasJEvans

If you're talking about Carlsen here, then he was losing heavily after 7 moves. It was Gates' blunder that meant he won; if he had kept his standard of play high, then he could have had winning chances.

WittyBlunder
ThomasJEvans wrote:

If you're talking about Carlsen here, then he was losing heavily after 7 moves. It was Gates' blunder that meant he won; if he had kept his standard of play high, then he could have had winning chances.

Yeah, but that oversight latter from Carlsen is not due to playing his queen early.

jdcannon

Here are a few Youtube videos covering the Scandinavian:

http://youtu.be/AELEkUHEsXo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAIDwwDIjLg

Its a totally playable opening. I think we all (myself included) try to play to strictly regarding general principals. They can often be a crutch from actually investigating the position.

glamdring27

How many defeats did you have with it too?  

jdcannon

Here is a loss:

http://youtu.be/v0MSf1yQx4M

I'd say right now I am shooting better than 50% with it. Any loses I've had haven't been because of issues with my queen.

glamdring27
jdcannon wrote:

Here is a loss:

http://youtu.be/v0MSf1yQx4M

I'd say right now I am shooting better than 50% with it. Any loses I've had haven't been because of issues with my queen.

It's one of those openings I get played against me quite often and have meant to try myself more in Blitz, but haven't really done so.  I never learn openings though so after move 2 I'd be "out of book" and winging it with my Queen on a5 anyway!

PLAVIN81

The qqqqq Being the strongest piece shoud be deployed quicklyWink

solskytz

Someone from around the top of the thread made the observation that if your opponent plays the Q out early, then it means that he's a patzer. 

Quite a nice revelation to make, but what does it make you think next, if you then discover that he also has some 150 rating points on you?! :-)

Nakamura used to open 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 well after going past 2600 FIDE. There are opening variations which start that way and give white a slight advantage against best play. The opening is quite playable if white knows what to do, and black must be very careful not to slip - scholar's mate isn't the only danger. 

solskytz

<XplayerJX> the guy is just insulting you and your "analytical skills". Talking with someone like that, even if he's the better player, is only going to frustrate you. You are not going to reason with him, and anything which you may learn will be offset by the emotional distress that such people cause. 

It's really good that you want to improve and analyze with stronger players - but there's plenty of them here who also have a friendly and supportive attitude, and will go better with you as a person. 

Treat that guy as a troll and find someone more "human" to answer your questions and concerns. I wouldn't have anybody insult my "analytical skills" - no matter how many hundreds of points he is above me. 

This is only chess. A board game which we all love. A beautiful pastime with fighting and aesthetic themes, with planning, some mental gymnastics...

However, in life there are also other skills. Someone who insults you without any provocation, certainly sucks in skills which are way more important than chess. 

Keep learning, but from healthier people :-) I personally find this kind of people trillions of times more offensive than the most "beginner-like" chess oversight. 

Robert_New_Alekhine
XPLAYERJX wrote:
lolurspammed wrote:

The Scandinavian disagrees with you.

I agree with you 100%

 

OP you have to understand some lines moving the queen out is actually the best move so it depends on the line that is being played whether moving the queen out is good or not Ill show you a visiual of the line that lolurspammed was talking about

 



Bc4 is also a Main Line

lolurspammed

Bxg4 deserves 3 question marks

leiph18
XPLAYERJX wrote:

Their is nothing wrong with my english

Good to know.

leiph18

Say out loud what you wrote just now... don't just read it, read it and speak it.

I don't think badly of you as a person, I don't think you're dumb (in fact you're probably pretty bright if you've improved as fast as you've said). But I think you type things and don't realize what they sound like. I don't think you talk the way you type.

lolurspammed

I think a smart person would be able to understand someone's point despite grammar mistakes. Pointing out grammar errors is counterintuitive to an argument/debate.