Just kidding, chess humor. Petroff seems like less work for the GM. Following.
Petroff vs Berlin
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How so? They are both Black openings, so they can’t possibly be matched against each other.
Just kidding, chess humor. Petroff seems like less work for the GM. Following.
Just kidding, chess humor. Petroff seems like less work for the GM. Following.
dannyhume wrote:
How so? They are both Black openings, so they can’t possibly be matched against each other.
Just kidding, chess humor. Petroff seems like less work for the GM. Following.
Just kidding, chess humor. Petroff seems like less work for the GM. Following.
There is no such thing as a Black Opening or a White Opening.
The opening is the opening. It is determined by both players.
After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 (or 3.d4), you have Petroff's Defense (or the Russian Defense). It is not a Black Opening. The position is the Russian Defense, regardless whether you are White or Black in that position.
The French Defense or Sicilian Defense or Caro-Kann Defense are once again NOT Black Openings, they are simply openings. If the game goes 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4, you are playing a French Defense, Winawer Variation whether you are White or Black. Either side can just as easily a oid it. Black did not decide the opening on his own. White could just as easily have played:
3.Nd2
3.e5
3.exd5
2.d3
2.Nf3
1.d4
1.c4
1.Nf3
1.g3
1.b3
1.b4
1.f4
1.Nc3
When it comes to whether the opening is a Petroff or a Berlin, Black decides.
It would be utter nonsense if the OP asked “Will the Petroff overtake the Blackmar-Diemar Gambit?”
The OP’s post implies that the critical position in question is Black’s move after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3, not the universe of possibile move combinations that can occur beginning at move 1.
It would be utter nonsense if the OP asked “Will the Petroff overtake the Blackmar-Diemar Gambit?”
The OP’s post implies that the critical position in question is Black’s move after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3, not the universe of possibile move combinations that can occur beginning at move 1.
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"Will the Petroff Defense overtake the Berlin Defense?"
++ No, it is a matter of fashion. Petrov, Berlin, Marshall, Sveshnikov are all sound defences.
There is a difference between match play and tournament play.
If you win 1 game and draw all other games, then you win a match, but you end up in the middle of a tournament.
To win a tournament you need to win more than one game and that means you have to try to win games with black against the weaker players.
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ThrillerFan wrote:
There is no such thing as a Black Opening or a White Opening.
The opening is the opening. It is determined by both players.
Of course there are such things as white and black openings. Both sides determine the opening, but if black plays the defining move of the opening then it is a black opening and vice versa.
After 1.e4 e6 2.d4 black can play 2...d5, the defining move of the French Defense, which is why the French is a black opening. If black had played 2...b6, then it would be an Owen's defense, which is also an opening for black.
After 1.e4 e5, it is white who makes the decision to turn the game into a King's gambit with 2.f4, which is why the King's gambit is a white opening.
If there was no such thing as white and black openings, it would be impossible to say things like 'the Latvian gambit is unsound' instead we would need to say 'in the Latvian gambit, Black's position is clearly worse'.
Obviously this isn't the case, and the reason we can say 'the Latvian gambit is unsound' is because it is a black opening, since it is Black's decision to play 2...f5?! and steer the game into a Latvian.
Technically, it is "The Latvian Gambit is unsound for Black", but many use shorthand, assuming you could tell through intuition that it is Black they are referring to.
And the reason that openings are not based on 1 color is simple. Each game is ONE Opening. Not "White play a ' but Black played a Y", that is baloney.
Example: 1 e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.d4 cxd5 5.Nc3 e6 6.Nf3 Bb4 7.Bd3 dxc4 8.Bxc4 O-O 9 O-O b6
It would be Hogwash to say that "Black is playing a Scandinavian" and that "White is playing the Panov-Botvinnik Attack".
In fact, BOTH players now are playing a Nimzo-Indian Defense! (E53)
Sure, there are many ways to avoid such a Transposition, like 5...Nc6 or 7.cxd5, just to name a couple.
But it does not matter, this is Officially a Nimzo-Indian Defense for BOTH players.
The "Normal" move order to reach this line is 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3 d5 6.Nf3 c5 7.Bd3 cxd4 8.exd4 dxc4 9.Bxc4 b6.
It's just like the idiots that say "I am playing the Pirc because I played 1...d6 and 2...Nf6 and 3...g6.
Guess what, White also decides the Opening. After 1.d4 d6 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.e4 Bg7, this is not a Pirc, it is a King's Indian, decided by both! With no c4 by White or no g6 by Black, you have something completely different. Pirc in the first case, Old Indian in the second case.
Will the Petroff Defense overtake the Berlin Defense?