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Philidor counter gambit literature?

  • #21

    I wonder why u focus on 4.Bc4 when we said there are several ways to refute this opening...

    And don't think only GM know or are able to play it at the board : i have some pupils rated 1300 who would be able to do it.

  • #22

    I would rather go for 4.Nc3, as Negi suggests, because these lines are also useful against the Latvian gambit: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5? 3.Nc3, which is perfectly good for a large white advantage. 3...d6 4.d4 is a direct transposition.

  • #23

    I was studying this Bc4 and Black is much worse.  But even when the Computer says +1.6 in some lines had Black has good drawing chances when I went few moves further and white has to precise to keep the edge or it vanishes pretty quickly. Very unsound against a prepared opponent, But It will give good practical results below master level ( at club level /coffee house chess ). 

  • #24
    pfren wrote:

    GM Negi decorates 3...f5 with a question mark (rightly, of course) and dismisses the line briefly with 4.Nc3 fxe4 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Neg5 h6 (6...e4 7.Ne5) 7.Nf7! Kxf7 8.Ne5+ winning.


    I guess 5...Nf6 is a better move (at least it does not lose by force), but only an idiot would like to play this as Black.

    I won with this exact line as a 13-year-old kid rated <2200 against a senior master in a big open tournament. It got me over 2200 and won my first big prize. happy.png I didn't know it, I just found it at the board.



  • #25

    This is the line I normally play as black as seen in my graphic:

    c5 to back the knight off..because I feel like that's the only way to keep white from gaining control of the center of the board (very important) and dominating the game. I've tried several different lines but c5 seems to be the only one where I don't lose position/advantage or get slaughtered. However, I hate doing it because my pawn on d6 is left extremely vulnerable. Should I play a move other than c5 to protect the center, and if not, what series of moves after c5 should I use? Thanks.

  • #26
    Brettseahawk έγραψε:

    This is the line I normally play as black as seen in my graphic:


    3...h6 is a very dubious move, and 5...c5 a very bad one.

  • #27

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  • #28

    Why is h6 a very dubious move? Prevents the fried liver on f7. 

  • #29

    If someone could post a graphic on how to deal with white after the knight takes on d4 in my graphic it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

  • #30

    Brettseahawk - if you develop a new piece bringing it from your back rank closer to the centre of the board with each move, then you won't fall so far behind on development.  In your diagram, White has two pieces in the centre while Black's pieces are all at home snug in their beds far from the coming battle.

  • #31
    Brettseahawk a écrit :

    Why is h6 a very dubious move? Prevents the fried liver on f7. 

    Fried Liver is this :

    Not an issue, because black has some way to play this opening, the "main" line being this one :

    Black is supposed to have enough compensations for the pawn.

    We could discuss about it during hours, thats another story.

    Now, let's see with Philidor/Hannam move order :

    So no need to lose a tempo with h6 preventing Ng5, u have other ways to do it.

    In general that is a major problem for low level players : they are afraid (with or without good reasons) and they play defensive moves (instead of searching active moves), weakening their position (h6...), giving opponent advance development and initiative, then they lose and don't understand why...


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