Playing against the Queen's Indian as White

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luke623

I like the Bogo Indian. I play it myself. If White plays 1.d4 2.c4 then he has to meet either the Bogo or Nimzo. 3.g3 transposes back.

Black's plan is to play d6 and e5

Slav2Luv

Well somebody tell me please... Nimzo is considered great? Bogo is considered rubbish? But they are pretty much same position? Only difference is horse is not with pin? Maybe Bogo is better because you force check, yes? So let us show? BogoIndian is better than NimzoIndian, yes?!

luke623

You can kind of consider the Bogo and the Nimzo Indians as part of the same system, both playing Bb4 on move 3. The Bogo Indian is more of an equalizing opening, as Black doesn't have the immediate pressure on the c3 knight as he does in the Nimzo and first plays to get sound development. This has lead to the impression that the Bogo is not as good as the Nimzo. However, they are both fully playable and together can make up the main part of your anti 1.d4 repertoire.

Slav2Luv

A bit like... the Nimbogo defence?

luke623

Queen's Nimzobogo Indian Defence

Slav2Luv

So if NimzoIndian is plan A... what is best plan B? BogoIndian or QueensIndian or humble d5? Or c5?

luke623

It depends on what White plays. After 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 Nf6 White has 3 main moves. First is 3.Nc3, after which Black can play Nimzo. 2nd, White can play 3.Nf3, which can lead to either the Queen's Indian or Bogo Indian. Last, White has 3.g3, probably trying to play a Catalan after 3...d5. However, one good thing about the Bogo Indian is that after 3.g3 you can play 3...Bb4 anyways, which usually transposes to a Bogo. This is why I chose to play the Bogo, it saves midnight oil. However, all 3 are well known and respected openings.

Slav2Luv

Am leaning toward d5. A classic setup, with tempo. Perhap the best option might be the NoIndianDefence? Save a few headache. Where is the hairy Greek guy?

misayan07

In general, I'll play the Bogo-Indian against 3. Nf3. Sometimes I'll go with the Queen's Indian. The point of the Bogo is similar to that of Nimzos in which White avoids doubling his pawns (such as in the Capablanca variation 4. Qc2).

luke623

I thought 4.Qc2 in the Nimzo was called the Classical Variation

luke623

And I thought 4.e3 was the Rubenstein! Maybe I'm just wrong

Slav2Luv

But 4e3 is Rubenstein? 4Qc2 is Capablaca style, yes? 4a3 is Saemisch. And there is a Leningrad Nimzo AND a St. Petersburg Nimzo, despite they being the same city?!

 

Slav2Luv

Ya, ya. Iron Curtain not longer. But NimzoIndian must be most difficult opening to play, yes?

Slav2Luv

Better joined up? As in BogoIndian or Nimzoindian. Or NoIndian.

SeniorPatzer

Most of the time the Cleveland Indians' defense works well.  grin.png

BL4D3RUNN3R

I recommend to delay d4 and start via this move-order to cut out a bunch of defenses including ...Ba6 QID. Moreover, in enables White to use this still reliable pawn sac.

 
(oops, #41 mentioned it already)

 

luke623

That works if you are willing to play a Catalan or some other anti-QGD system as White (I know there exist a few). With 1...Nf6 and 2...e6 Black is flexible and keeping his options open as well, and can play d5 at any moment.

BL4D3RUNN3R
luke623 hat geschrieben:

That works if you are willing to play a Catalan or some other anti-QGD system as White (I know there exist a few). With 1...Nf6 and 2...e6 Black is flexible and keeping his options open as well, and can play d5 at any moment.

Sure, but the same applies if you start with d4 and c4.

luke623

After 3.g3, I mean. Of course, with 1.Nf3, White also has to be ready for 1...d5 2.c4 d4

SeniorPatzer
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Hm...the Cleve-Indian.  We'll have to look into this...

 

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