If centaur chess was nothing but guys using chess engines than the result would be all draws. But, in any event, I am NOT talking about the average centaur--I refer only to the one who is good enough to win the USA Championship. There are reasons he stands above the field.
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12397699: JOHN BALLOW
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So, this player llast played uscf over the board in April 2003?
Well, then I will concede the point that many Centaur chess players would not do very well in USCF rated over the board tournaments.
I am quite willing to look at evidence and change my mind. However I was only referring to one particular player who was skilled enough to win the USA correspondence championship. [that may be a special situation giving what it takes to win such a championship]
In fact , I believe that if an OTB player switches to CC play and uses engines and then attempts a return to OTB play his OTB results will suffer and his rating is likely to fall . The engine use and having ample time to boot beomes a crutch . These crutches , suddenly removed , in OTB play will have a very negative impact on the OTB player . Bigpoison's example is as I suspect . Now Ponz you can try and find an example of a strong CC player that has increased his OTB rating by 2 classes , or more , and I will be forced to reconsider but I doubt you can find such an example . Where can I find a list of the top US CC players ? I would like to compare their OTB ratings to their CC ratings .
Reb, I was talking about a 350 point increase not two full classes.
However, looking at the evidence your point makes more sense
than what I was saying and so I concede the point.
So are men and women,,,
Jul 4, 2013
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Reb wrote:
>Bigpoison's example is as I suspect .<
About as suspect as Brians Walls so called refutation actually being his and not belonging to any of his binary servants....
| 1 | Menke, John R (10427398) | IL | USA | 2491 | |
| 2 | Van Enk, Steven J (12729266) | OR | USA | 2452 | |
| 3 | Brandhorst, Wesley (10177103) | FL | USA | 2438 | |
| 4 | Buss, Michael (12437668) | IN | USA | 2424 | |
| 5 | Ingersol, Harry (10347394) | IA | USA | 2415 | |
| 6 | Tracz, James G (12398324) | OH | USA | 2405 | |
| 7 | Tseng, Wilbur (12692226) | IL | USA | 2403 | |
| 8 | Mcgregor, Stephen Dean (12437976) | TX | USA | 2376 | |
| 9 | Brower, Walter J (12416332) | AL | USA | 2373 | |
| 10 | Swan, Peter Lee (10163421) | CO | USA | 2366 |
Here are the OTB ratings for those top 10 CC players :
1 1796
2 2242
3 UNR
4 1505
5 UNR
6 1745
7 1224
8 UNR
9 UNR
10 1300
Yes, its rather obvious that the top USCC players are indeed using engines, whether allowed or not . How else can a 1300 OTB player be among the top 10 in the USA ?
There is also the USA ICCF Correspondence and they have a list of the top 60 currently active. Many of my friends are at the top of the list.
When I was playing the top player from the USCF Correspondence was seeded into a spot in the finals.
I have given up just about all chess fairly recently. I was playing vote chess and 15 minute chess.
Jul 4, 2013
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FirebrandX wrote:
Reb wrote:
Where can I find a list of the top US CC players ? I would like to compare their OTB ratings to their CC ratings .
Oops! Forgot to address this. You can find the current top list here:
http://www.uschess.org/component/option,com_top_players/Itemid,371?op=list&month=1306&f=usa&l=Top%20Correspondence%20Ratings&h=Correspondence%20Players
You'll no doubt determine as I have that many of the top players are cheating per the official USCF CC rules on engine analysis.
Are there 2 US CC Championships? (ICCF and USCF?)
I used to like CC play , back when we used post cards and the best computers were not even 2200 strength , those days are gone . I gave it up in the 90s .
Reb, First of all you assume FirebrandX ended his over the board chess career at 1700 strength which is very probably not true. [I think you assume this] I am guessing his playing strength was about 1850.
A player who switches to correspondence chess can improve his knowledge by 350 points IF he is good enough to win the USA Championship. There is more to correspondence chess using chess engines than you may think. While studying chess positions even with the help of chess engines--one learns a lot.
I am not talking about the average correspondence chess player--I refer only to the one who increases his ability enough to win the USA Championship.
The average correspondence chess player will only increase his over the board chess ability a small amount.