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Musikamole
rich wrote:

2...Bd6!?


Nah. 2...Bd6 gives up too much. The bishop has great scope where it is. 2...Nf6! :)

Dragec
Loomis wrote:
Dragec wrote:
Loomis wrote:
SchuBomb wrote:

If you are playing someone you have no chance of legitimately beating or even drawing (say, if I were playing Anand), it is the best move. Why? Your opponent might accidentally brush the king with his hand, ...


The touch move rule only applies to deliberate touches of the pieces, not accidental touches.


What is "deliberate" can be subject of opinion.


The person I responded to explicitly stated "accidental".  So there was no question in that case that the touch was not deliberate .


I know, and wasn't commenting that. I just wanted to point out that "deliberate" can be matter of opinion.

Person who lets say accidentally touch his piece, will probably say it was accidental.

His opponent on other hand might say it was deliberate, so it would be difference in opinions, which would then call for an arbiter to decide.

Looking at some threads I have found here it seems that there has been tournament games with: 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Ke7 3.Qxe5#. (Edit. davepacker, thank you for pointing the error, Qxh5 replaced with Qxe5). 

You probably agree that Ke7 wasn't intended move and chances are that poor guy accidentally touched his king, but obviously touch move was enforced, so it means that his opponent won the argument Cool

 

Please note that I didn't comment a moral side of such enforcing, I just wanted to say it can happen

Dragec
davepacker wrote:
Dragec wrote:

Looking at some threads I have found here it seems that there has been tournament games with: 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Ke7 3.Qxh5#.

(how is that possible??)



I don't know exactly what do you mean, this sequence is quite possible, although with very low probability.

EDIT: oh, I see it now, 3.Qxe5# of course. Sorry.

 

I even managed to find a couple of recorded games:

on 365chess.com - Gritchuk vs. SkrypinEvpatoria 2007 · KP, Patzer opening (C20) · 1-0

and

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1371171

 

but I do not want to hijack a thread, I promise this is my last post here about touching pieces accidentally/deliberately, and the outcome of such touch. Sealed

shoopi

Hey, the queen can do whatever she wants, ok?

btw, that's a nice cat

SchuBomb
Loomis wrote:
SchuBomb wrote:

If you are playing someone you have no chance of legitimately beating or even drawing (say, if I were playing Anand), it is the best move. Why? Your opponent might accidentally brush the king with his hand, ...


The touch move rule only applies to deliberate touches of the pieces, not accidental touches.


Perhaps I should have said "absent-mindedly" instead then :)

scorpio978

good god Dh5!!! playible  bat losees

djfeltis

Ok, so if you think this opening is a mistake, i would like to play you. Bernard Parham lives in my town, and he taught me this opening.

Musikamole

I thought I'd have some fun and go back to playing 1...e5 after 1.e4 with the hopes of getting the patzer opening. It happend in my second game. Cool

1. Nakamura has a terrible track record when playing 1.e4 2.Qh5.

2. I'm a horrible blitz player.

My conclusion: It's easy to beat someone when they play 2.Qh5. It's a dumb, time wasting move. Look at it as a gift and enjoy beating the early queen patzers out there. Smile

As you can see from my play, I need to keep doing tactics trainer a little bit each day!

 


Candy_Dreams

If this is what you meant then it is a bad idea

Look at the development for black, your queen position is not good

Musikamole
Candy_Dreams wrote:

If this is what you meant then it is a bad idea

Look at the development for black, your queen position is not good

 



This is the book line for the Patzer opening that Nakamura plays as White. Again, I don't know why he bothers with it. In the Chess.com database, Black has a 75 percent chance of winning.

Is there a better line for White after 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6? It looks like White will always lose one tempo. A terrible opening line for White. However, Nakamura is a superstar. Who am I?  A patzer! Smile

chessknight12345

What does qh5 make of this topic

Crudus
Azukikuru wrote:

I'd go as far as call it a mistake. I don't have any games in my own archives to show you because I play the Sicilian as black, but all the games where my opponent moved his queen out on the second move I classified in the "slaughter" folder. Granted, it means by default that my opponent was a bad player, but what usually happens is that I end up trapping their queen somehow.


Ive seen 1. e4 c5 2. Qh5 when I was black. I was even playing Bernard Parham himself (main advocate of Qh5) and I slaughtered him in the mid-game. I don't even know sicilian! I am a 1300-1400 player playing against a master. I am willing to say Qh5 is a mistake against sicilian at the very least.

Musikamole

Kiddie Countergambit  Black is a pawn down, but has a lead in development and stands to gain more time off the exposed white queen. The main advantage of this line is that it avoids the uncomfortable contortions Black must get himself into with the main line (...Qe7 or ...g6).

 I like the lead in development! Smile

 


 


The online chessbase database has many examples of 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nf6!? 3.Qxe5+.

I don't want to go up against this under 10 year old child!


Azukikuru
Crudus wrote:

Ive seen 1. e4 c5 2. Qh5 when I was black. I was even playing Bernard Parham himself (main advocate of Qh5) and I slaughtered him in the mid-game. I don't even know sicilian! I am a 1300-1400 player playing against a master. I am willing to say Qh5 is a mistake against sicilian at the very least.


Well, since people are displaying their games...

PatchesTheHyena

--- The Psychology of Qh5 ---

A majority of people will tell you that 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 is bad because it loses tempi, and while this is true, it doesn't look at the entire picture. A Qh5 (w/ Bc4) player hopes his opponent "falls" for his opening trap, which is inherently bad because of a reliance on an opponent's lack of skill instead of one's own skill. When the opponent's doesn't "fall" for Qh5 the white player simply plays on as if nothing happens and ignores the fact they just gave up their opening advantage for the possibility of a win if the opponent is weak enough.

The second problem with Qh5 is planning or more specifically: the lack of planning. Most Qh5 players simply don't have a plan should their initial "attack" fail, and not only have they started their actual plan late, their new plan must incorporate their early bishop and queen moves whether they like it or not. Now, objectively this new plan shouldn't be very effective because of the tempi loss.

Most people play this opening because they're hoping their opponent is a weak player. There's no learning or intelligent chess to be had and chess is no more than a simple game to these people who only want the win. Now, I should say that there are people who play this opening to be different and while this is a bit better, all I can say is you're kidding yourself if you think you can get out of the opening with anything better than equality (and lucky if it isn't a black advantage).

edboardman1

its a good move , if they attack the queen then you win by a point, and that is how masters win by one point, plus they are in a situation, which either they have no idea or they just guess what the moves are, it happens in my games alot

edboardman1

The Qh5 works on all opening