Queen's Gambit is horrible

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GVSK1728

And another variation:

Why is the Queen's Gambit so horrible?

GVSK1728

Why do people play Queen's Gambit all the time? I feel like holding on to your pawn at some risk is worth it due to the space you get.

ThrillerFan

Nice job leaving out White's 2 best moves, 3.Nf3 and 3.e3.

Only a stupid clown would utter the QG as bad, dubious, unsound, or any other negative adjective.

gd610

And black resigns.

hmchessuser

After 2. dxc4, wouldn't Qa4 win the pawn back?

gd610
hmchessuser wrote:

After 2. dxc4, wouldn't Qa4 win the pawn back?

It does, but Qa4 is rarely played because it wastes a tempo when you could just play e3 like the line I posted above or play e4 and dominate the center.

kindaspongey
hmchessuser wrote:

After 2. dxc4, wouldn't Qa4 win the pawn back?

3 Nf3, 3 e4, and 3 e3 seem to be regarded as more promising alternatives.

kindaspongey
GVSK1728 wrote:

… And another variation: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e4 b5 4. a4 c6 5. axb5 cxb5 6. Nc3 Bd7 7. Nf3 e6 Why is the Queen's Gambit so horrible?

https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=3604275

Hadron
ThrillerFan wrote:

Nice job leaving out White's 2 best moves, 3.Nf3 and 3.e3.

Only a stupid clown would utter the QG as bad, dubious, unsound, or any other negative adjective.

And, as per normal, you do not disappoint. It does make one wonder if buying any sort of membership gets you a pass on abusing people because you seem to do it an awful lot on multiple threads without any recriminations.

Now chess,

If the Queen's Gambit is horrible for White, stick to Fischer's maxum about e4 being best by test and if the Queen's Gambit is bad for black then do not play d5 and if you must there are better and sharper methods than accepting the pawn

Have a nice day!

dpnorman

3. e4 is a perfectly good move. There are three perfectly good moves against the QGA.

 

3. Nc3 on the other hand, black seems to equalize against very easily

kindaspongey
Hadron wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

Nice job leaving out White's 2 best moves, 3.Nf3 and 3.e3.

Only a stupid clown would utter the QG as bad, dubious, unsound, or any other negative adjective.

And, as per normal, you do not disappoint. It does make one wonder if buying any sort of membership gets you a pass on abusing people because you seem to do it an awful lot on multiple threads without any recriminations.

Now chess,

If the Queen's Gambit is horrible for White, stick to Fischer's maxum about e4 being best by test and if the Queen's Gambit is bad for black then do not play d5 and if you must there are better and sharper methods than accepting the pawn

Have a nice day!

I'm not exactly a fan of ThrillerFan, but I think that some sort of hostility is understandable as a reaction to a declaration that the Queen's Gambit is horrible. On the other hand, the subject is perhaps of interest. In 2016, IM Andrew Martin wrote, "An early ...b5 is risky and was given the thumbs down by theoreticians until very recently, when computers have shown that Black can get away with it in certain circumstances. Generally, after 3 Nf3 b5 is poor, whereas after 3 e3 and 3 e4, it may be playable."

By the way, were you created in a large collider?

JeffGreen333
ThrillerFan wrote:

Nice job leaving out White's 2 best moves, 3.Nf3 and 3.e3.

Only a stupid clown would utter the QG as bad, dubious, unsound, or any other negative adjective.

I agree.  Many top GM's have made a living playing the Queen's Gambit.   Alexander Alekhine, Reuben Fine, Ernst Gruenfeld, Emanuel Lasker, Siegbert Tarrasch and Veselin Topalov come to mind here, but there are/were many others.  

Hadron

>I'm not exactly a fan of ThrillerFan, but I think that some sort of hostility is understandable as a reaction to a declaration that the Queen's Gambit is horrible.<

Understandable?.....WOW.....just WOW

>On the other hand, the subject is perhaps of interest. In 2016, IM Andrew Martin wrote, "An early ...b5 is risky and was given the thumbs down by theoreticians until very recently, when computers have shown that Black can get away with it in certain circumstances. Generally, after 3 Nf3 b5 is poor, whereas after 3 e3 and 3 e4, it may be playable."<

Can I confess I am no Queen's Gambit expert. I very rarely play 1....d5 preferring systems after 1...Nf6 without a short term d5. When I do play 1....d5, I like Chigorin's 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6 as Black, I am NOT saying it is any better than the normal Queen's Gambit Declined just that it can be sharp as the Albin but with less inherent dangers.

>By the way, were you created in a large collider?<

Indeed

Have a nice day

JeffGreen333

In the chess.com database, out of all of the standard Queen's Gambits (1. d4 d5  2. c4), white has won 40%, drawn 38% and only lost 22% of the games.   That's pretty darn good.   In fact, I think it has the lowest losing percentage of any book opening.   So, it may very well be the best chess opening of all time.  

Hadron
ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

Either that or he built a big wall once.

Different decrees!

Strangemover

@Hadron how are your brothers Electon-Positron and Heavy Ion? Don't fret about @ThrillerFan - he is a strange quark. 

JeffGreen333
GVSK1728 wrote:

Why do people play Queen's Gambit all the time? I feel like holding on to your pawn at some risk is worth it due to the space you get.

The two games that you posted were both Queen's Gambit Accepted.   That variation isn't played nearly as often as the Queen's Gambit Declined, but they have around the same win-draw-loss rate.   I play a system opening that avoids the QGA but sometimes transposes into a QGD, so I don't have to learn those QGA lines.   However, the QGA isn't all that great.   Black usually loses if they try to hold on to the extra pawn.   

GVSK1728

e3 simply doesn’t work.

Strangemover

Trolling? White wins the c4 pawn easily and the Be6 is obstructing blacks development. 

JeffGreen333
GVSK1728 wrote:

e3 simply doesn’t work.

That 3. Be6 variation is the one that convinced me to use a system opening, where I can always recapture the pawn right away.   I don't like playing against that line.