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After Qa4+, why doesn't black defend with c6, then if white goes bxc4, black can fork with b5...any insight here?
Jan 5, 2019
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#5
The problem is that after 2...dxc4 the continuation 3.e3 is not that good as it was once thought to be, the reason being black plays 3...e5! and white faces some problems. so after 2...dxc4 the correct continuation is 3.Nf3!
Jan 5, 2019
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#6
3.Nf3 is a fine move that avoids some of the scarier theory, but the most testing approach is to risk giving the pawn in the 3.e4 variation. You will have the whole center and a lead in development even if black plays all the book moves to retain her pawn. I'm one of those weird people who never give pawns away, and even I think it's a sound sacrifice.
Jan 5, 2019
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#7
Gruonabaeildiagatari wrote:
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Jan 5, 2019
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#8
AlisonHart wrote:
3.Nf3 is a fine move that avoids some of the scarier theory, but the most testing approach is to risk giving the pawn in the 3.e4 variation. You will have the whole center and a lead in development even if black plays all the book moves to retain her pawn. I'm one of those weird people who never give pawns away, and even I think it's a sound sacrifice.
No, you don't get all the center after 3.e4, black just plays 3...e5 and you have similar problems as in the 3.e3 e5 continuation
No, you don't get all the center after 3.e4, black just plays 3...e5 and you have similar problems as in the 3.e3 e5 continuation>>>>
Uggh, 3 ... e5 ...... I don't exactly know if it's a forced loss but I think it's been busted pretty soundly. ...Nf6 is the sound variation.
kaspariano wrote:
The problem is that after 2...dxc4 the continuation 3.e3 is not that good as it was once thought to be, the reason being black plays 3...e5! and white faces some problems. so after 2...dxc4 the correct continuation is 3.Nf3!
I personally play Nf3. I might play 3. e4 but 3.e3 players WANT black to respond with e5. That's why they play it, so no ! !
Jan 5, 2019
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Optimissed wrote:
kaspariano wrote:
The problem is that after 2...dxc4 the continuation 3.e3 is not that good as it was once thought to be, the reason being black plays 3...e5! and white faces some problems. so after 2...dxc4 the correct continuation is 3.Nf3!
I personally play Nf3. I might play 3. e4 but 3.e3 players WANT black to respond with e5. That's why they play it, so no ! !
No, they play it waiting for 3...b5 to what they will follow with 4.a4 and the little trap getting the rook with Qf3 further down the road
Jan 6, 2019
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#12
kaspariano wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
kaspariano wrote:
The problem is that after 2...dxc4 the continuation 3.e3 is not that good as it was once thought to be, the reason being black plays 3...e5! and white faces some problems. so after 2...dxc4 the correct continuation is 3.Nf3!
I personally play Nf3. I might play 3. e4 but 3.e3 players WANT black to respond with e5. That's why they play it, so no ! !
No, they play it waiting for 3...b5 to what they will follow with 4.a4 and the little trap getting the rook with Qf3 further down the road
3.e3 e5 is not as good as a lot of people think. In fact Avrukh in his original 1.d4 repertoire would rather face 3.e3 e5 than 3.Nf3 Bg4; either way white should get more of an advantage than against the mainline of the QGA. 3.e4 e5 is not better than 3.e4 Nf6, and in both lines it's black, not white, who is facing problems. In fact 3.e4 is now considered the mist testing line at GM level as black is struggling to equalise with 3...e5.
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pawns are equal after Nf6 5 each
Jan 6, 2019
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curryman206 escribió:
After Qa4+, why doesn't black defend with c6, then if white goes bxc4, black can fork with b5...any insight here?
White takes Qxc4, not Bxc4, precisely to avoid that fork.
After 5... Bxc5 White can recover the pawn immediately with 6.Bxc4, since 6...Bxc4 is met by 7.Qa4+ recovering the piece.
Jan 6, 2019
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#15
J_Estrada wrote:
curryman206 escribió:
After Qa4+, why doesn't black defend with c6, then if white goes bxc4, black can fork with b5...any insight here?
White takes Qxc4, not Bxc4, precisely to avoid that fork.
After 5... Bxc5 White can recover the pawn immediately with 6.Bxc4, since 6...Bxc4 is met by 7.Qa4+ recovering the piece.
I have always played 6.b3 here, is there a reason why 6.Bxc4 is stronger?
Jan 6, 2019
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#16
my137thaccount escribió:
I have always played 6.b3 here, is there a reason why 6.Bxc4 is stronger?
Not a big difference really, but I think it gives Black an extra tempo to develop compared to my line, where either Black retreats the bishop, say 6... Bc6 (threatens g2) 7.Nf3, or trades the bishop; and the white Queen on c4 is fine (8... Nb6?! 9.Qc6+) and stops Bb4+, White can just play Nf3, O-O, Bd2, etc.
kaspariano wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
kaspariano wrote:
The problem is that after 2...dxc4 the continuation 3.e3 is not that good as it was once thought to be, the reason being black plays 3...e5! and white faces some problems. so after 2...dxc4 the correct continuation is 3.Nf3!
I personally play Nf3. I might play 3. e4 but 3.e3 players WANT black to respond with e5. That's why they play it, so no ! !
No, they play it waiting for 3...b5 to what they will follow with 4.a4 and the little trap getting the rook with Qf3 further down the road>>
It depends who we're talking about. I was talking about people who can play the game to a reasonable standard and therefore never get an opponent who loses in three moves as black. e5 isn't such a good reply to e3.
Regarding the two lines above, I've played both the b3 line and the Qa4 line and I think that the position resulting from the b3 line is better for white. In both lines black gets a weak a pawn but in the b3 line white's pawns are better, white retains the better bishop and white gets more pressure. I tend to think the b3 line is nearly a forced win. Nasty for black to defend.
Jan 7, 2019
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#19
Optimissed escribió:
Regarding the two lines above, I've played both the b3 line and the Qa4 line and I think that the position resulting from the b3 line is better for white. In both lines black gets a weak a pawn but in the b3 line white's pawns are better, white retains the better bishop and white gets more pressure.
Good points!
Jan 7, 2019
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#20
Blunderfull711 wrote:
Queens Gambit is somewhat falsely named. You do not have to play the queens gambit as a gambit. If the pawn on C4 is taken on move 2 black will not be able to hold on to the material, in some cases black will end up even further down in material. This is pretty commonly known among skilled players but for my own enjoyment I have laid out all the possible continuations.
It's important to note that these lines are not necessarily the best responses just ways to guarantee white gets the pawn back. I think this opening teaches beginners important lessons on not being too greedy
Classical Beginner Analysis. Actually, it is. There is an opening called the Queen's Gambit Accepted. Black can hold on to the pawn in many variations but White usually gets some compensation in the form of an attack or central control.
Queens Gambit is somewhat falsely named. You do not have to play the queens gambit as a gambit. If the pawn on C4 is taken on move 2 black will not be able to hold on to the material, in some cases black will end up even further down in material. This is pretty commonly known among skilled players but for my own enjoyment I have laid out all the possible continuations.