"Trap" in the Ruy Lopez

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razorblade12

I discovered this the other day. Please tell me why this would be bad for black.

alexholowczak

I think this position is roughly equal.

theusualsuspect

I believe that after 5...Na5 White would play something different. This is the Morphy Defence - Wing Variation. White should castle here, but some players may play 6 Bxf7+ Kxf7 7 Nxe5+, though if you play accurately you should maintain your advantage.

CarlMI

Its always good for black when white plays bad moves.  This isn't a trap; its a player who is lost on sixth move of his opening, in a main line.

_simus_

look at black's pawn structure.  White has traded off his light squared bishop while goading black into shutting down all of the light squares.  Essentially, white gets a free 2/3 open file, plus making the activation of black's light squared bishop more moves away than he'd like.

TheOldReb

Simply 6 0-0 is theory and fine for white. This is called the counter-thrust variation I believe.

JG27Pyth

"I believe that after 5...Na5 White would play something different. This is the Morphy Defence - Wing Variation."

This isn't a bad line for Black at all, but you can't count on White playing the tempo losing 6.Bd5 which is not a good move.  0-0 is better, almost anything is better. edit -- *I see Reb beat me to the punch on this comment*

If memory serves (by no means a given in my case) Black doesn't immediately exchange N for B either. *edit* Indeed d6 is the mainline, giving us the classic black Ruy Lopez pawns.

kenmack

Show me a person who is willing to play the ruy and NOT exchange given 3... a6 and I'll show you someone who will pick your wallet as soon as shake your hand.

TheOldReb
kenmack wrote:

Show me a person who is willing to play the ruy and NOT exchange given 3... a6 and I'll show you someone who will pick your wallet as soon as shake your hand.


 I often play the exchange variation but more often play 4 Ba4. Nothing wrong with either one.

benonidoni

The pawn to b5 starting the norwegian spanish is weak putting white somewhat ahead and the BD5 takes that advantage away. Loss of tempo move I think. Fritz lists it as the 10th best move.

spoiler1

Why not 6. Nxe5?

Spiffe
kenmack wrote:

Show me a person who is willing to play the ruy and NOT exchange given 3... a6 and I'll show you someone who will pick your wallet as soon as shake your hand.


Huh?  Clever putdown, but the Exchange variation is a weaker choice.  Yeah yeah, Fischer blah blah, but look at the numbers -- White scores better with Ba4.

Elroch

With Na5, black can gain a B for an N but in doing so loses time and gifts white an open file for his queen's rook. The trade-off is rather bad, and best avoided. White should avoid 6. Bd5? c6 7. Bb3 which clearly wastes time. Ignoring black and playing 6. O-O! is the most popular, and believed best.

6. Nxe5 is the other move worth considering (6. Bxf7+ is the move often tried as a refutation, but if anything, black may come out better). The critical line is 6. Nxe5 Nxb3 7. axb3 Qg5 8. Nf3! Qxg2 9. Rg1 Qh3 which gives white a slight advantage. (8. Ng4 d5! is equal)

renegade9

All these people are giving out named defenses and positions, and I don't know what they are talking about... In my opinion, white now has a chance to get their rook out and about, while black will need to manuever around his pawns first. That's my opinion.

>>Renegade   \o/