Are there no open games outside of e4?
ranking the top 5 Open Game openings for white
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Chuck639 wrote:
Are there no open games outside of e4?
The Open Game, as in 1. e4 e5
Of course there are open positions in other lines lol
Jun 7, 2023
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#4
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Are there no open games outside of e4?
The Open Game, as in 1. e4 e5
Of course there are open positions in other lines lol
Oh, that’s a little bias. I would put the Nimzo-Larsen Attack, Open Catalan and Reversed Dragon in there somewhere before e4, e5
1. Ruy - Can lead to closed games, and the Berlin.
2. Italian - over played. No surprises that Italian players complain about it or get bored lol
3. Scotch - single malt please
Chuck639 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
Are there no open games outside of e4?
The Open Game, as in 1. e4 e5
Of course there are open positions in other lines lol
Oh, that’s a little bias. I would put the Nimzo-Larsen Attack, Open Catalan and Reversed Dragon in there somewhere before e4, e5
1. Ruy - Can lead to closed games, and the Berlin.
2. Italian - over played. No surprises that Italian players complain about it or get bored lol
3. Scotch - single malt please
I’ve heard that 1. e4 e5 is called the Open Game, it’s not a trait it’s the actual name
KingVandheer wrote:
Pretty solid list honestly. Number 5 could be debated, Kings Gambit and Center Game are good contenders.
I feel like the Center Game is dubious because of white’s lack of development:
(black has much better development which should not be the case in most openings)
I do think the King’s Gambit should’ve been #5 instead, but I barely know anything about it so I couldn’t really argue why.
KingVandheer wrote:
Bringing back the queen is a dubious line though. Qe3 and new trendy Qc4 are better responses.
It arguably leaves the queen exposed, and it goes against opening principles to develop the queen so early
TheSampson wrote:
so I ranked the top 5 responses against the Sicilian Defense for white and it got a lot of negative attention, from narcissists who mocked my rating and said nothing else because they didn’t have an actual argument, to people who actually had something worthwhile to say. Nonetheless ima do it again lol 💯💯💯
1. Ruy Lopez
Amazing from beginner level to absolute top-level. It usually offers extremely rich positions. It’s hard to argue against it unless you’re a Gotham stan and whine about the amount of theory it has. It’s only flaw might be the Marshall, which doesn’t immediately lose for white by any means if they know what they’re doing.
2. Italian
A lot of people say it’s drawish, which most of its lines are, but you can easily get a dynamic game by utilizing something like the Evans Gambit and the Fried Liver, maybe even the Scotch Gambit transposition (in the Two Knights Defense with 4. d4). Great, solid choice for white, and it probably has no weaknesses (in most of its lines) just because of how solid it is. The problem is, people are absolutely bawling in joy over the Fried Liver because of GothamChess and now I’m seeing it in the Sicilian??
3. Scotch
My upmost recommendation to beginners, even at my level. Simple to learn, solid, easy to play, and effective up to 2000. Even Kasparov got a lot of good wins with it. My only problem with it is the Bc5 line where you have to play c3 and sort of sabotage your b1 knight’s development, but it’s not a horrible curse or anything.
4. Vienna (Not the gambit)
Nc3 is a great alternative to Nf3 (if you like eating chalk but whatever). It really cuts down on theory and it can lead to really solid positions. The only response I saw to the Vienna when I played it was Bc5 for some reason? It’s honestly just a dubious move imo. Overall, I’d say it has some weaknesses, like the fact that black can easily put pressure on the white position in most lines, but I wouldn’t really call it refuted. The gambit is terrible tho don’t listen to GothamMess
5. Ponziani
If you play this opening, you either stan Eric Rosen or you premoved the Delayed Alapin Sicilian for some reason. It’s… acceptable? The prior 4 options are just so much better, it’s not even close. Even the Vienna. The gambits are just bad and the b1 knight’s development is sabotaged for no compensation. If you’re gonna play c3 and d4, just play the Ruy Lopez or the Italian.
Petrov? Bishop’s Opening? Three Knights? Four Knights?
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
so I ranked the top 5 responses against the Sicilian Defense for white and it got a lot of negative attention, from narcissists who mocked my rating and said nothing else because they didn’t have an actual argument, to people who actually had something worthwhile to say. Nonetheless ima do it again lol 💯💯💯
1. Ruy Lopez
Amazing from beginner level to absolute top-level. It usually offers extremely rich positions. It’s hard to argue against it unless you’re a Gotham stan and whine about the amount of theory it has. It’s only flaw might be the Marshall, which doesn’t immediately lose for white by any means if they know what they’re doing.
2. Italian
A lot of people say it’s drawish, which most of its lines are, but you can easily get a dynamic game by utilizing something like the Evans Gambit and the Fried Liver, maybe even the Scotch Gambit transposition (in the Two Knights Defense with 4. d4). Great, solid choice for white, and it probably has no weaknesses (in most of its lines) just because of how solid it is. The problem is, people are absolutely bawling in joy over the Fried Liver because of GothamChess and now I’m seeing it in the Sicilian??
3. Scotch
My upmost recommendation to beginners, even at my level. Simple to learn, solid, easy to play, and effective up to 2000. Even Kasparov got a lot of good wins with it. My only problem with it is the Bc5 line where you have to play c3 and sort of sabotage your b1 knight’s development, but it’s not a horrible curse or anything.
4. Vienna (Not the gambit)
Nc3 is a great alternative to Nf3 (if you like eating chalk but whatever). It really cuts down on theory and it can lead to really solid positions. The only response I saw to the Vienna when I played it was Bc5 for some reason? It’s honestly just a dubious move imo. Overall, I’d say it has some weaknesses, like the fact that black can easily put pressure on the white position in most lines, but I wouldn’t really call it refuted. The gambit is terrible tho don’t listen to GothamMess
5. Ponziani
If you play this opening, you either stan Eric Rosen or you premoved the Delayed Alapin Sicilian for some reason. It’s… acceptable? The prior 4 options are just so much better, it’s not even close. Even the Vienna. The gambits are just bad and the b1 knight’s development is sabotaged for no compensation. If you’re gonna play c3 and d4, just play the Ruy Lopez or the Italian.
Petrov? Bishop’s Opening? Three Knights? Four Knights?
I forgot about the Four Knights (it’s forgettable), but it should’ve been #4 with the Vienna at #5, sorry. Idk about the Three Knights much, and the Bishop’s Opening and the Vienna transpose way too much
TheSampson wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
so I ranked the top 5 responses against the Sicilian Defense for white and it got a lot of negative attention, from narcissists who mocked my rating and said nothing else because they didn’t have an actual argument, to people who actually had something worthwhile to say. Nonetheless ima do it again lol 💯💯💯
1. Ruy Lopez
Amazing from beginner level to absolute top-level. It usually offers extremely rich positions. It’s hard to argue against it unless you’re a Gotham stan and whine about the amount of theory it has. It’s only flaw might be the Marshall, which doesn’t immediately lose for white by any means if they know what they’re doing.
2. Italian
A lot of people say it’s drawish, which most of its lines are, but you can easily get a dynamic game by utilizing something like the Evans Gambit and the Fried Liver, maybe even the Scotch Gambit transposition (in the Two Knights Defense with 4. d4). Great, solid choice for white, and it probably has no weaknesses (in most of its lines) just because of how solid it is. The problem is, people are absolutely bawling in joy over the Fried Liver because of GothamChess and now I’m seeing it in the Sicilian??
3. Scotch
My upmost recommendation to beginners, even at my level. Simple to learn, solid, easy to play, and effective up to 2000. Even Kasparov got a lot of good wins with it. My only problem with it is the Bc5 line where you have to play c3 and sort of sabotage your b1 knight’s development, but it’s not a horrible curse or anything.
4. Vienna (Not the gambit)
Nc3 is a great alternative to Nf3 (if you like eating chalk but whatever). It really cuts down on theory and it can lead to really solid positions. The only response I saw to the Vienna when I played it was Bc5 for some reason? It’s honestly just a dubious move imo. Overall, I’d say it has some weaknesses, like the fact that black can easily put pressure on the white position in most lines, but I wouldn’t really call it refuted. The gambit is terrible tho don’t listen to GothamMess
5. Ponziani
If you play this opening, you either stan Eric Rosen or you premoved the Delayed Alapin Sicilian for some reason. It’s… acceptable? The prior 4 options are just so much better, it’s not even close. Even the Vienna. The gambits are just bad and the b1 knight’s development is sabotaged for no compensation. If you’re gonna play c3 and d4, just play the Ruy Lopez or the Italian.
Petrov? Bishop’s Opening? Three Knights? Four Knights?
I forgot about the Four Knights (it’s forgettable), but it should’ve been #4 with the Vienna at #5, sorry. Idk about the Three Knights much, and the Bishop’s Opening and the Vienna transpose way too much
Still no Petrov? I’d put that above even the Italian right at #2
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
so I ranked the top 5 responses against the Sicilian Defense for white and it got a lot of negative attention, from narcissists who mocked my rating and said nothing else because they didn’t have an actual argument, to people who actually had something worthwhile to say. Nonetheless ima do it again lol 💯💯💯
1. Ruy Lopez
Amazing from beginner level to absolute top-level. It usually offers extremely rich positions. It’s hard to argue against it unless you’re a Gotham stan and whine about the amount of theory it has. It’s only flaw might be the Marshall, which doesn’t immediately lose for white by any means if they know what they’re doing.
2. Italian
A lot of people say it’s drawish, which most of its lines are, but you can easily get a dynamic game by utilizing something like the Evans Gambit and the Fried Liver, maybe even the Scotch Gambit transposition (in the Two Knights Defense with 4. d4). Great, solid choice for white, and it probably has no weaknesses (in most of its lines) just because of how solid it is. The problem is, people are absolutely bawling in joy over the Fried Liver because of GothamChess and now I’m seeing it in the Sicilian??
3. Scotch
My upmost recommendation to beginners, even at my level. Simple to learn, solid, easy to play, and effective up to 2000. Even Kasparov got a lot of good wins with it. My only problem with it is the Bc5 line where you have to play c3 and sort of sabotage your b1 knight’s development, but it’s not a horrible curse or anything.
4. Vienna (Not the gambit)
Nc3 is a great alternative to Nf3 (if you like eating chalk but whatever). It really cuts down on theory and it can lead to really solid positions. The only response I saw to the Vienna when I played it was Bc5 for some reason? It’s honestly just a dubious move imo. Overall, I’d say it has some weaknesses, like the fact that black can easily put pressure on the white position in most lines, but I wouldn’t really call it refuted. The gambit is terrible tho don’t listen to GothamMess
5. Ponziani
If you play this opening, you either stan Eric Rosen or you premoved the Delayed Alapin Sicilian for some reason. It’s… acceptable? The prior 4 options are just so much better, it’s not even close. Even the Vienna. The gambits are just bad and the b1 knight’s development is sabotaged for no compensation. If you’re gonna play c3 and d4, just play the Ruy Lopez or the Italian.
Petrov? Bishop’s Opening? Three Knights? Four Knights?
I forgot about the Four Knights (it’s forgettable), but it should’ve been #4 with the Vienna at #5, sorry. Idk about the Three Knights much, and the Bishop’s Opening and the Vienna transpose way too much
Still no Petrov? I’d put that above even the Italian.
The list was directed towards Open Game openings initiated by white
TheSampson wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
so I ranked the top 5 responses against the Sicilian Defense for white and it got a lot of negative attention, from narcissists who mocked my rating and said nothing else because they didn’t have an actual argument, to people who actually had something worthwhile to say. Nonetheless ima do it again lol 💯💯💯
1. Ruy Lopez
Amazing from beginner level to absolute top-level. It usually offers extremely rich positions. It’s hard to argue against it unless you’re a Gotham stan and whine about the amount of theory it has. It’s only flaw might be the Marshall, which doesn’t immediately lose for white by any means if they know what they’re doing.
2. Italian
A lot of people say it’s drawish, which most of its lines are, but you can easily get a dynamic game by utilizing something like the Evans Gambit and the Fried Liver, maybe even the Scotch Gambit transposition (in the Two Knights Defense with 4. d4). Great, solid choice for white, and it probably has no weaknesses (in most of its lines) just because of how solid it is. The problem is, people are absolutely bawling in joy over the Fried Liver because of GothamChess and now I’m seeing it in the Sicilian??
3. Scotch
My upmost recommendation to beginners, even at my level. Simple to learn, solid, easy to play, and effective up to 2000. Even Kasparov got a lot of good wins with it. My only problem with it is the Bc5 line where you have to play c3 and sort of sabotage your b1 knight’s development, but it’s not a horrible curse or anything.
4. Vienna (Not the gambit)
Nc3 is a great alternative to Nf3 (if you like eating chalk but whatever). It really cuts down on theory and it can lead to really solid positions. The only response I saw to the Vienna when I played it was Bc5 for some reason? It’s honestly just a dubious move imo. Overall, I’d say it has some weaknesses, like the fact that black can easily put pressure on the white position in most lines, but I wouldn’t really call it refuted. The gambit is terrible tho don’t listen to GothamMess
5. Ponziani
If you play this opening, you either stan Eric Rosen or you premoved the Delayed Alapin Sicilian for some reason. It’s… acceptable? The prior 4 options are just so much better, it’s not even close. Even the Vienna. The gambits are just bad and the b1 knight’s development is sabotaged for no compensation. If you’re gonna play c3 and d4, just play the Ruy Lopez or the Italian.
Petrov? Bishop’s Opening? Three Knights? Four Knights?
I forgot about the Four Knights (it’s forgettable), but it should’ve been #4 with the Vienna at #5, sorry. Idk about the Three Knights much, and the Bishop’s Opening and the Vienna transpose way too much
Still no Petrov? I’d put that above even the Italian.
The list was directed towards Open Game openings initiated by white
Ahhh… so just assuming Nc6 by Black?
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
so I ranked the top 5 responses against the Sicilian Defense for white and it got a lot of negative attention, from narcissists who mocked my rating and said nothing else because they didn’t have an actual argument, to people who actually had something worthwhile to say. Nonetheless ima do it again lol 💯💯💯
1. Ruy Lopez
Amazing from beginner level to absolute top-level. It usually offers extremely rich positions. It’s hard to argue against it unless you’re a Gotham stan and whine about the amount of theory it has. It’s only flaw might be the Marshall, which doesn’t immediately lose for white by any means if they know what they’re doing.
2. Italian
A lot of people say it’s drawish, which most of its lines are, but you can easily get a dynamic game by utilizing something like the Evans Gambit and the Fried Liver, maybe even the Scotch Gambit transposition (in the Two Knights Defense with 4. d4). Great, solid choice for white, and it probably has no weaknesses (in most of its lines) just because of how solid it is. The problem is, people are absolutely bawling in joy over the Fried Liver because of GothamChess and now I’m seeing it in the Sicilian??
3. Scotch
My upmost recommendation to beginners, even at my level. Simple to learn, solid, easy to play, and effective up to 2000. Even Kasparov got a lot of good wins with it. My only problem with it is the Bc5 line where you have to play c3 and sort of sabotage your b1 knight’s development, but it’s not a horrible curse or anything.
4. Vienna (Not the gambit)
Nc3 is a great alternative to Nf3 (if you like eating chalk but whatever). It really cuts down on theory and it can lead to really solid positions. The only response I saw to the Vienna when I played it was Bc5 for some reason? It’s honestly just a dubious move imo. Overall, I’d say it has some weaknesses, like the fact that black can easily put pressure on the white position in most lines, but I wouldn’t really call it refuted. The gambit is terrible tho don’t listen to GothamMess
5. Ponziani
If you play this opening, you either stan Eric Rosen or you premoved the Delayed Alapin Sicilian for some reason. It’s… acceptable? The prior 4 options are just so much better, it’s not even close. Even the Vienna. The gambits are just bad and the b1 knight’s development is sabotaged for no compensation. If you’re gonna play c3 and d4, just play the Ruy Lopez or the Italian.
Petrov? Bishop’s Opening? Three Knights? Four Knights?
I forgot about the Four Knights (it’s forgettable), but it should’ve been #4 with the Vienna at #5, sorry. Idk about the Three Knights much, and the Bishop’s Opening and the Vienna transpose way too much
Still no Petrov? I’d put that above even the Italian.
The list was directed towards Open Game openings initiated by white
Ahhh… so just assuming Nc6 by Black?
Yeah basically
an open game is where every developing move counts, its where you fight to the death in the center and usually you are forced to develop everything by move 10
the ruy lopez is played like a closed game most the time
black stoped playing the open because white generally gets a better center and more active play and development, but also its fallen outta fashion
AngryPuffer wrote:
an open game is where every developing move counts, its where you fight to the death in the center and usually you are forced to develop everything by move 10
the ruy lopez is played like a closed game most the time
black stoped playing the open because white generally gets a better center and more active play and development, but also its fallen outta fashion
read the earlier comments
open italian
normal scotch
Yes. Valid list in general, but I would put bishops opening in 4th, Vienna in 5th
Yes, Bishops opening is missing from that list.
Jun 11, 2023
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#19
chuck, its not biased to say the truth, unless youre a lunatic
1 e4 e5 IS called "the open game" and yes, there IS no better name for it, and it WAS capitalised in the title and op DID say what they meant
and i DO play this from both sides so none of your "yOu dOnT pLaY sIcIlIaN" nonsense
so I ranked the top 5 responses against the Sicilian Defense for white and it got a lot of negative attention, from narcissists who mocked my rating and said nothing else because they didn’t have an actual argument, to people who actually had something worthwhile to say. Nonetheless ima do it again lol 💯💯💯
1. Ruy Lopez
Amazing from beginner level to absolute top-level. It usually offers extremely rich positions. It’s hard to argue against it unless you’re a Gotham stan and whine about the amount of theory it has. It’s only flaw might be the Marshall, which doesn’t immediately lose for white by any means if they know what they’re doing.
2. Italian
A lot of people say it’s drawish, which most of its lines are, but you can easily get a dynamic game by utilizing something like the Evans Gambit and the Fried Liver, maybe even the Scotch Gambit transposition (in the Two Knights Defense with 4. d4). Great, solid choice for white, and it probably has no weaknesses (in most of its lines) just because of how solid it is. The problem is, people are absolutely bawling in joy over the Fried Liver because of GothamChess and now I’m seeing it in the Sicilian??
3. Scotch
My upmost recommendation to beginners, even at my level. Simple to learn, solid, easy to play, and effective up to 2000. Even Kasparov got a lot of good wins with it. My only problem with it is the Bc5 line where you have to play c3 and sort of sabotage your b1 knight’s development, but it’s not a horrible curse or anything.
4. Vienna (Not the gambit)
Nc3 is a great alternative to Nf3 (if you like eating chalk but whatever). It really cuts down on theory and it can lead to really solid positions. The only response I saw to the Vienna when I played it was Bc5 for some reason? It’s honestly just a dubious move imo. Overall, I’d say it has some weaknesses, like the fact that black can easily put pressure on the white position in most lines, but I wouldn’t really call it refuted. The gambit is terrible tho don’t listen to GothamMess
5. Ponziani
If you play this opening, you either stan Eric Rosen or you premoved the Delayed Alapin Sicilian for some reason. It’s… acceptable? The prior 4 options are just so much better, it’s not even close. Even the Vienna. The gambits are just bad and the b1 knight’s development is sabotaged for no compensation. If you’re gonna play c3 and d4, just play the Ruy Lopez or the Italian.