The best part got cut
Rant on annoying openings.
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I know this is a rant and I hope that you feel better now, getting it all out...
But, there is a deeper truth that you need to embrace as a chess player.
a) it's thier move. they can play anything that they want.
@1
++ Some world champions disagree with you:
"The london system"
"openings which violates every opening principle in chess such as the hippo"
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1106728
Feb 7, 2024
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#6
I do find these openings particularly annoying to play against, the truth is that you simply need to find a good anti-London and exploit advantages you gain from the Hippo. Not every chess game goes exactly how you want, otherwise you would be GM by now…
Feb 7, 2024
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#8
I hate playing against the hippo too. The London System is ok I think.
wow what a good rant really let us know how you feel -- while i appreciate your view about those us who play chess without thinking in your opinion and those of us who maybe think alittle off to your conception of how to play -- remember a lot pf people play chess just to fill the time making days a little shorter nights and sleep a litlle closer after watching tv and the internet for long periods of time -- playing chess for me levels me out whether i win or lose does not matter -- its just moving the pieces and seeing what happens with a real other person doing the same -- thats the game the beauty is the playing of it ,right wrong or otherwise so please be a little less hateful and a little more kind in those of us here who fill the spots so you can be a 1400 plus player
Chesspro1334 wrote:
I do find these openings particularly annoying to play against, the truth is that you simply need to find a good anti-London and exploit advantages you gain from the Hippo. Not every chess game goes exactly how you want, otherwise you would be GM by now…
I'm just returning to chess after about 30 years. I just played knowing the way the pieces moved and understood getting your first moves to the center was the focus. Never used a clock, and had no idea openings had names. I've been on youtube when I have time and its London, London, London, London. This time around I'm actually paying attention and learning about the game. So, naturally, I told my friend, you take white and lets practice the London, my idea was to learn how to play against the London and the variations of it. I'll continue to play the black side until I win a game against him..hahah. He is around a 1800 and I'm barley 800, told him don't go easy on me... We're on our second game and I'm giving him a good fight so far HA! No time limit....we are just entering middle game. We play via text message over the phone, which also helps me learn proper notation format. AND.....!!!....I get to use the awesome wooden chessmen/boards I have. I'm in an area where I can't find chess players easily...so this will have to work for now...
Can some one chime in on this learning approach...thanks. I think being challenged by tough opponents is a forced sink or swim situation....
Feb 7, 2024
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#11
Im_a_Crow wrote:
The best part got cut
Create an anti-London opening and call it The Crow.
First of all, reported.
Second of all, as an 1800 with a tertiary London I use regularly, your assumptions about the London are well and truly false. The London teaches "positional concepts such as weak squares, pawn weakness, pawn majority, pawn structures etc" rigorously. As White, I'm constantly on the lookout for times to play c4 Nc3 and Qb3 to attack both the d5 square and the b7 square or times to play c3 Nbd2 Bd3 and attack along the b1-h7 diagonal, h-file, and kingside in general, or times to play Ne5 f4 Ndf3 and establish a major center. As Black, I'm constantly on the lookout for times to play 5... Qb6 6. Qb3 c4 7. Qxb6 axb6 followed up by h6 Bf5 Bh7 b5 b4 bxc3 b5 Rfb8 b4 bxc3 to completely dominate the queenside, for example. I'm on the lookout for times to play Nh5 and g6, times to play an Bf5 and e6, times to simply play cxd5.
The London may not be as strong as the Catalan or mainline QGD/d4-c4 Indian openings, but white gets an easy draw at worst or insane attacking or counterattacking chances at best, and both sides have an insane amount of ideas, plans, and move order tricks to consider. The London is one of my favorite openings in all of chess if not my favorite.
Thirdly, the Hippo is actually a top weapon for modern GMs in must-win situations as Black. White cannot push for a draw easily against such a defensive structure, and if White accepts the freely give space advantage, Black gets counterplay all over the board, and due to the sheer flexibility and positional nature of this type of game, it's impossible to prep agains.The Hippo is fundamentally one of the most skillful openings in all of chess in my opinion. Black selflessly accepts a worse but solid position in exchange for taking White completely out of the bounds of insane memorized theory, meaning the best player usually wins, as opposed to the one with the best memory.
Fourth, respect the openings your opponents play as you'll never know which ones will pose a problem for you.
Lastly and most importantly, RESPECT YOUR OPPONENTS! You and they are one and the same, merely two people living life trying to win, improve, and have fun in one of your favorite games. They just happen to be better at it, and you just happen to be a bad sport about it. You can change both of those facts. You can improve by humbling yourself: learn the Hippo and London from the other side to see what is hardest to face from the perspective of the Hippo/London player, solicit the advice of "the enemy" and ask for what setups and ideas are most deadly and which make those players sweat the most, and then prepare specifically against those openings so you never struggle against them again, instead of going online and swearing and ranting about "those people".
Sincerely, a chess player just like you.
Against london you dont need to play d5 you can just go c5 to challenge the d4 pawn its called benoni defence because london system's aim is controlling center and you need to attack the center or you can play f5 dutch defence or e5 englund gambit is playable there is so many options
Thanks guy for all of your insights, I really appreciate that.
tygxc wrote:
@1
++ Some world champions disagree with you:
"The london system"
"openings which violates every opening principle in chess such as the hippo"
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1106728
See there is a lot difference between a grandmaster and a 1400. If Magnus is playing the london, he is not doing that to cut down theory, but he is doing that because he has learned extensive amount of theory in the london opening. Case for beginners and intermediates are opposite. They are playing london so they dont have to face various challenging moves by opponent. This hinders their learning progress.
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
First of all, reported.
Second of all, as an 1800 with a tertiary London I use regularly, your assumptions about the London are well and truly false. The London teaches "positional concepts such as weak squares, pawn weakness, pawn majority, pawn structures etc" rigorously. As White, I'm constantly on the lookout for times to play c4 Nc3 and Qb3 to attack both the d5 square and the b7 square or times to play c3 Nbd2 Bd3 and attack along the b1-h7 diagonal, h-file, and kingside in general, or times to play Ne5 f4 Ndf3 and establish a major center. As Black, I'm constantly on the lookout for times to play 5... Qb6 6. Qb3 c4 7. Qxb6 axb6 followed up by h6 Bf5 Bh7 b5 b4 bxc3 b5 Rfb8 b4 bxc3 to completely dominate the queenside, for example. I'm on the lookout for times to play Nh5 and g6, times to play an Bf5 and e6, times to simply play cxd5.
The London may not be as strong as the Catalan or mainline QGD/d4-c4 Indian openings, but white gets an easy draw at worst or insane attacking or counterattacking chances at best, and both sides have an insane amount of ideas, plans, and move order tricks to consider. The London is one of my favorite openings in all of chess if not my favorite.
Thirdly, the Hippo is actually a top weapon for modern GMs in must-win situations as Black. White cannot push for a draw easily against such a defensive structure, and if White accepts the freely give space advantage, Black gets counterplay all over the board, and due to the sheer flexibility and positional nature of this type of game, it's impossible to prep agains.The Hippo is fundamentally one of the most skillful openings in all of chess in my opinion. Black selflessly accepts a worse but solid position in exchange for taking White completely out of the bounds of insane memorized theory, meaning the best player usually wins, as opposed to the one with the best memory.
Fourth, respect the openings your opponents play as you'll never know which ones will pose a problem for you.
Lastly and most importantly, RESPECT YOUR OPPONENTS! You and they are one and the same, merely two people living life trying to win, improve, and have fun in one of your favorite games. They just happen to be better at it, and you just happen to be a bad sport about it. You can change both of those facts. You can improve by humbling yourself: learn the Hippo and London from the other side to see what is hardest to face from the perspective of the Hippo/London player, solicit the advice of "the enemy" and ask for what setups and ideas are most deadly and which make those players sweat the most, and then prepare specifically against those openings so you never struggle against them again, instead of going online and swearing and ranting about "those people".
Sincerely, a chess player just like you.
Not reading all that, thanks for your insights tho.
Nice rant... but come on, let's tell truth. You are butt hurt because someone came along with the London, side stepped all you're booked up prep... and beat you... Same goes for the Hippo.
Truth is the London isn't all that inferior.. truth is it doesn't stunt you chess growth... . If you play organized chess your studying tactics, middle game positions and endgames too... the notion the The London stunts your chess growth....."what a bunch of garbage!" Usually really said because a person wants all their opponents only to play lines the know how to play against !
No opening stunts your chess growth.. they do only if that is all you study... i.e. just a single opening ... and that could be any opening...The KID for example.
Most People are not GM's they don't have to assume the opponent has looked them up and built repertoire around what they play... (the real reason why GMs play multiple openings )
^^^ What he said.
Feb 8, 2024
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#20
Im_a_Crow wrote:
two things annoy me the most, The london system and openings which violates every opening principle in chess such as the hippo. Also, I have encountered openings where the opponent fianchettoes both bishops, never try to break in the center, maybe just premove the whole opening and have no skill of playing chess. by skills I am reffering to calculations, judgement, pattern recognition and other things which are to be done while playing chess. these kind of people just want to move pieces on an 8x8 checkered board, and even worse part is that, the moves are totally memorized, but thats not chess. If that was chess, I am pretty sure monkeys would also be good at it (no offense to the monkey community). the point is people who play london, hippo or any other stuff like that in which they dont care about the moves made by opponent, Deleted by mod KS You are not playing chess, you are avoiding the things in chess that makes it beautiful. Why play chess when you want to avoid calculating, making decisions and other factors? I understand the point of playing London and openings similar to hippo, you dont want to study vast theory behind each opening. Ask yourself, is it worth to cut out the soul of this game in order to cut out theory because of your incompetency? If you play London, how are you going to learn positional concepts such as weak squares, pawn weakness, pawn majority, pawn structures etc? And even worse, how will you improve at tactics? you might be doing 9874563 tactics per day, but whats the point of it when you are going into an opening where those tacticals motifs will never arise? when I was like 700-800, I played london, every game. Why? because GoThAm ChEsS sAiD sO. and I swear the best decision I took to improve at chess was to stop playing london, and switched to Queens Gambit. If you are reading this and play london, believe me, start playing queens gambit or any other opening that is not london. Otherwise stop playing chess. this all because I lost to someone who played double fianchetto. And once again, If you play london, Deleted by mod KS Thanks for reading.
Want some cheese with that whine?
two things annoy me the most, The london system and openings which violates every opening principle in chess such as the hippo. Also, I have encountered openings where the opponent fianchettoes both bishops, never try to break in the center, maybe just premove the whole opening and have no skill of playing chess. by skills I am reffering to calculations, judgement, pattern recognition and other things which are to be done while playing chess. these kind of people just want to move pieces on an 8x8 checkered board, and even worse part is that, the moves are totally memorized, but thats not chess. If that was chess, I am pretty sure monkeys would also be good at it (no offense to the monkey community). the point is people who play london, hippo or any other stuff like that in which they dont care about the moves made by opponent, Deleted by mod KS You are not playing chess, you are avoiding the things in chess that makes it beautiful. Why play chess when you want to avoid calculating, making decisions and other factors? I understand the point of playing London and openings similar to hippo, you dont want to study vast theory behind each opening. Ask yourself, is it worth to cut out the soul of this game in order to cut out theory because of your incompetency? If you play London, how are you going to learn positional concepts such as weak squares, pawn weakness, pawn majority, pawn structures etc? And even worse, how will you improve at tactics? you might be doing 9874563 tactics per day, but whats the point of it when you are going into an opening where those tacticals motifs will never arise? when I was like 700-800, I played london, every game. Why? because GoThAm ChEsS sAiD sO. and I swear the best decision I took to improve at chess was to stop playing london, and switched to Queens Gambit. If you are reading this and play london, believe me, start playing queens gambit or any other opening that is not london. Otherwise stop playing chess. this all because I lost to someone who played double fianchetto. And once again, If you play london, Deleted by mod KS Thanks for reading.