Reti Trap
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Trap in the Reti opening, extremely useful in blitz games. Please comment on this trap and point out any flaws. Please tell me other trapping lines in the Reti you might know. Don't tell me this trap can be avoided with accurate play. Obviously all traps can be avoided with accurate play, that is the essence of a trap, depending on the opponent to make a natural looking move.
...also, if they defend with 5...e6 they lose the bishop. If they defend with 5...Bishop to e6 they get doubled e pawns and have a horrible looking position.
5...Be6 kills the trap.
I wouldn't call it horrible...
It is playable. Doubled pawns are not always a weakness.
Not really, as I explained before, it doubles their e-pawns and gives them a horrible looking position.
...also it makes his other bishop really hard to develop and your knight is extremely strong, you will have a very easy time attacking him.
Klorzingoli wrote:
...also, if they defend with 5...e6 they lose the bishop.
i doubt so.. why would white want to trade a queen for a bishop?? i believe if 5... e6, there's nothing white can do except move his queen.. and black can eventually even things out..
Cena_warrior, it is true that black does not always lose the bishop, but as you say, white has to move the queen... Queen checks king, black must block with the queen, knight or pawn. IF with queen or knight, black loses castling priviledge. If with pawn then you advance king side pawns to trap in bishop. Almost every game i play in this scenario I win the bisho for a pawn.
Klorzingoli wrote:
Not really, as I explained before, it doubles their e-pawns and gives them a horrible looking position.
Doubled pawns are not always a weakness. Those doubled pawns help control the center. Black can also always finachetto his dark-squard bishop and he is fine.
Black also has the option of attack the knight with queen with tempo on development. Develope his other knight and saftly castle queenside (not that king would be a bad choice eventually. Move his g pawn to g6 and play Bg7 or Bh6. Position is fine.
Klorzingoli wrote:
Cena_warrior, it is true that black does not always lose the bishop, but as you say, white has to move the queen... Queen checks king, black must block with the queen, knight or pawn. IF with queen or knight, black loses castling priviledge. If with pawn then you advance king side pawns to trap in bishop. Almost every game i play in this scenario I win the bisho for a pawn.
hmm again it doesn't matter.. if queen checks king, and black blocks with queen, yes black loses castling priviledge, but being unable to castle is not always a weakness (sometimes it is, but not all the time).. and if black blocks with knight, it'll only be a trade of knights.. again, white wouldn't trade a queen for a knight would he? if he does, black doesn't even necessarily lose castling priviliges as he can take the white queen with his own queen.. and i doubt i'll use a pawn to block.. and i think black would be better off in the scenarios i created.. i dunno for sure though..
Sorry I didnt properly get what you were trying to say. Simply if 5...e6 6.Nxg4 Nxg4 7.Qxg4 and white is ahead a bishop
This is how white wins the bishop if ...e6
@Klorzingoli: ok that works.. but you should have just put it differently.. in your last post, you seem to mean 6. Qa4+ and that doesn't win any bishop at all..
Queen, cannot exactly attack the knight with tempo either...
cena_warrior wrote:
@Klorzingoli: ok that works.. but you should have just put it differently.. in your last post, you seem to mean 6. Qa4+ and that doesn't win any bishop at all..
yeah, i am sorry about that. I was confusing the position with another i often find myself in. But in the position you put forward the bishop can be won flat out.
Jaguarphd wrote:
I wouldn't call it horrible...
It is playable. Doubled pawns are not always a weakness.
Doubled, isolated e-pawns in the opening? I am going to go out on a limb here and say, yah, that is always a weakness.
TonightOnly wrote:
Jaguarphd wrote:
I wouldn't call it horrible...
It is playable. Doubled pawns are not always a weakness.
Doubled, isolated e-pawns in the opening? I am going to go out on a limb here and say, yah, that is always a weakness.
TonightOnly... Thank you. Could not have said it better myself. And anyone who disagrees and has a chess engine you can plug it in and post the results, but i am pretty positive it will say white has an pretty large advantage.