After 2. Nc3 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Bf5 4. Ng3 Bg6 appears to be a sort of caro kan with c6 and d4 left out.
I'd play 2.exd5 and then make your opponent waste moves trying to save his queen
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I usually transform the game into blackmar-diemer gambit (by playing d4). This certainly throws off my opponent.
Accept the invitation with exd5, and then play Nc3 after Qxd5. Good development prospects for white after ... Qa5 followed by a pawn move depending on your taste.
Dec 29, 2010
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shadowfax wrote:
I usually transform the game into blackmar-diemer gambit (by playing d4). This certainly throws off my opponent.
It works quite good. Thank you!
I like the Scandinavian defense but lately I've tried other ways of playing it instead of 2...Qxd5. For example
Aug 3, 2011
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MrBlunderful wrote:
Be careful with the BDG stuff.
As mentioned, it's hell to defend against as black if you don't know what you're doing, but pretty easy to come out with an advantage if you DO.
And the thing about Scandi players...there's no group of people in the entire universe more likely to have a line all prepped up against the BDG than Scandi players. It's one of white's very few reasonable tries to switch things up once 1.e4d5 has come out. So any Scandiphile is going to have an answer to 2.d4 all queued up and ready to go.
(Mine is the Lemberger. W00t!)
And so is mine. I've been having quite good results with it (a draw and a victory) in the Thematic Tourney. But, if you really want to annoy me when I play the BDG, play 2...e6 and I'll hate you for making me play the French.
I hope this helps.
Aug 3, 2011
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MrBlunderful wrote:
pauix wrote:
MrBlunderful wrote:
Be careful with the BDG stuff.
As mentioned, it's hell to defend against as black if you don't know what you're doing, but pretty easy to come out with an advantage if you DO.
And the thing about Scandi players...there's no group of people in the entire universe more likely to have a line all prepped up against the BDG than Scandi players. It's one of white's very few reasonable tries to switch things up once 1.e4d5 has come out. So any Scandiphile is going to have an answer to 2.d4 all queued up and ready to go.
(Mine is the Lemberger. W00t!)
And so is mine. I've been having quite good results with it (a draw and a victory) in the Thematic Tourney. But, if you really want to annoy me when I play the BDG, play 2...e6 and I'll hate you for making me play the French.
Yeah, but unless you've got a ton of time and/or ambition on your hands, if you're already a Scandi player who is suddenly facing a BDG, the last thing you want is to stumble into the whole great big world of French theory. Since you're playing an e4 player to begin with, chances are he'll be on much more familiar ground than you. Make him waddle into the Lemberger, and he's playing ball on your court. ;)
That's why I'd hate so much to see 2...e6 after the BDG. The French has a lot of theory, has got a closed center in most of the main lines and the times I've played it (I've found myself transposing into the French as Black) I've hated soo much having the e5 pawn in front of my face...
Hypocrism wrote:
Accept the invitation with exd5, and then play Nc3 after Qxd5. Good development prospects for white after ... Qa5 followed by a pawn move depending on your taste.
ManyMercs response is also good; Hypocrism has it ~ right.
Accept the pawn with exd5, with other moves you go a P up to a tempo down (as White!!!).
Then don't try to hang on to the P AND don't accept another one (c6 or e6)!
2....Qxd5 tends to be more positional,
2....Nc6 tends to be tactical (as Anand has played). Dont' try to hang onto the P; make Black use a move to recapture. 3. d4 is a good (Portugese) variation (stops e5, etc).
If Black puts the Q out front, Run it with Developing Moves (Nc3, Bd2 ...).
Neither W nor Black can count on their opponent playing some of the poor moves given in the discussion.
If you want it to be more closed and try to cramp lower rated black players, you can play some with 2. e5.
Enjoy,
Aug 3, 2011
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TheMouse wrote:
SokeP wrote:
Then don't try to hang on to the P AND don't accept another one (c6 or e6)!
If black gambits another pawn on c6 or e6, I will usually accept, since although it is theoretically deubious I like White's position. I can usually defend against the opponent's initiative and consolidate my extra pawn.
And I'd normally play the BDG (and the Ryder if I can!) even if it's "theoretically dubious" because I love the position I get (and because it's quite easy to get someone to fall into the Halosar Trap.
I have the strange idea of 3.Qf3 if 3...Qxf3 the 4.Nxf3 brings out the knight and seems to be even.
I he doesn't take it then move out the bishop and play Ne2 thats my line.
TheMouse wrote:
SokeP wrote:
2....Nc6 tends to be tactical (as Anand has played). Dont' try to hang onto the P; make Black use a move to recapture. 3. d4 is a good (Portugese) variation (stops e5, etc).
I would doubt that Anand has played 2...Nc6, as White can then play 3 dxc6 with an easy win. Maybe you meant 2...Nf6.
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6, as TheMouse corrected. - Thanx
Ref: TheMouse wrote:
- "If black gambits another pawn on c6 or e6, I will usually accept, since although it is theoretically deubious I like White's position. I can usually defend against the opponent's initiative and consolidate my extra pawn."
- ...
As you indicated Black can get a potentially significant initiative, ex. if:
.... 1. e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.dxc6 Nxc6
after 4 moves each, Black has two pieces developed (Nf6,Nc6) and W has zero, which is why (as TheMouse says) this line is considered theoretically dubious for White.
But, if Black doesn't make something of his development, then he is just down a P, so Black doesn't want to be looking just to the end-game. Black has to get it done; it is not a slam dunk for black.
But, since this thread was initiated by a W player who was approx getting behind in development:
- "Playing as White, I have lots of trouble trying to find a good game against Scandinavian defense. .... puts me in a bad position due to bad developing. Any suggestion?"
- ...
I suggested not trying to hold on to the 1st Black P, and developing rather than accepting a c6 (Scandanavian Gambit) or a e6 (Icelandic Gambit).
Playing as White, I have lots of trouble trying to find a good game against Scandinavian defense. I normally go 2.Nc3, but it does not seem to work for me, cause after dxe4, Nxe4, I have to spend some moves to save the Knight, and that puts me in a bad position due to bad developing. Any suggestion?